How Do You Calculate the Increase in H2 to Double NH3 at Equilibrium?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the increase in hydrogen (H2) needed to double the equilibrium concentration of ammonia (NH3) in a chemical reaction involving nitrogen (N2) and hydrogen. Participants explore the equilibrium conditions, stoichiometry, and the application of the equilibrium constant in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes letting the change in concentration of H2 be equal to x, suggesting that the change in concentration of NH3 would be 2/3x based on the stoichiometry of the reaction.
  • Another participant provides the equilibrium expression and suggests determining the equilibrium constant Kc using the initial concentrations provided.
  • There is a question raised about the number of solutions to the problem, with one participant suggesting there could be four solutions.
  • Another participant asserts that the solution should be 3x and offers to resolve the problem entirely if needed.
  • One participant mentions modifying stoichiometries for simplification, indicating a preference for using integral numbers over fractions.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in solving for x, noting that the equilibrium equation leads to a quartic equation, questioning if there is an easier method to find x.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stoichiometric relationships and the complexity of the resulting equations. There is no consensus on the number of solutions or the best method to solve for x, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the equilibrium constant and the resulting equations, but there are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the stoichiometry and the approach to solving for x.

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A 1.00L vessel contains at equilibrium 0.300 mol of [itex]N_2[/itex], 0.400 mol [itex]H_2[/itex] and 0.100 mol [itex]NH_3[/itex]. If the temp is maintained constant, how many moles of [itex]H_2[/itex] must be introduced into the vessel in order to double the equilibrium concentration of [itex]NH_3[/itex]

I said that if I let the change in conc. of [itex]H_2[/itex] be equal to x, then the change in conc. of [itex]\[NH_3\][/itex] would be 2/3x (from the chemical equation). Can't I just equation 2/3x with 0.100? It just seems too easy...
 
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The reaction is:

[itex]N_2 + 3H_2[/itex] -> [itex]2NH_3[/itex]

So, in equilibrium we have:
Concentration of [itex]N_2[/itex]: 0.300 mol.dm-3
Concentration of [itex]3H_2[/itex]: 0.400 mol.dm-3
Concentration of [itex]2NH_3[/itex]: 0.100 mol.dm-3

With this values you can determine the equilibrium constant Kc. I think you know the formula, if not1.

But the problem asks how many moles of H2 must be introduced into the vessel in order to double the equilibrium concentration of NH3.

Then in the new equilibrium the concentration of each substance must be:
Concentration of [itex]N_2[/itex]: 0.300 + x mol.dm-3
Concentration of [itex]3H_2[/itex]: 0.400 + 3x mol.dm-3
Concentration of [itex]2NH_3[/itex]: 0.200 mol.dm-3

Now you apply the equilibrium constant formula and determine x and the solution of the problem.

1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_Constant
 
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So there will be four solutions?
 
Four solutions?
How?
The solution to the problem itself should be 3x. And you find x as I explained.
If you don't understand I will resolve the problem entirely.
 
I see now. Thanks for your help.
 
You're welcome. I hope you check if this is correct with your teacher.
 
PPonte gave some very good points, except the stoichiometries should be modified

Then in the new equilibrium the concentration of each substance must be:
Concentration of : 0.300 + x mol.dm-3
Concentration of : 0.400 + 3x mol.dm-3
Concentration of : 0.200 mol.dm-3

Use factor labeling, and use x for the moles of hydrogen gas introduced.
 
CGT, you are right. But I just used this stoichiometries in order to simplify the calculations since I prefer to use integral numbers than fractions. If x is the number of moles of hydrogen introduced, the final concentration of N2 is 0.300 + x/3 M.
 
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Question: How the heck do you solve for x? I found that K = 0.52

The equilibrium equation would be

K = [[itex]2NH_3[/itex]]^2 / [[itex]H_2[/itex]]^3[[itex]N_2[/itex]]

0.52 = (0.200)^2 / (0.400+3x)^3(0.300+x)

Once you expand that, you get some ridiculous quartic equation. Is there an easier way to solve for x? :S
 
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Question: How the heck do you solve for x? I found that K = 0.52

The equilibrium equation would be

K = [[itex]2NH_3[/itex]]^2 / [[itex]H_2[/itex]]^3[[itex]N_2[/itex]]

0.52 = (0.200)^2 / (0.400+3x)^3(0.300+x)

Once you expand that, you get some ridiculous quartic equation. Is there an easier way to solve for x? :S

hey... sorry if the thread is old, but I am having the same problem
I can't solve
0.52 = ((0.2)^2)/((0.3+x)*(0.4+3x)^3)
I get a huge 4th degree polynomial
 

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