How Do You Calculate the Motion and Velocity of a Falling Object with Drag?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the motion and velocity of a falling object subjected to gravitational acceleration and drag. The original poster presents a scenario where a mass is dropped from rest and seeks to derive the equation of motion and velocity as a function of time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the equation of motion, with some suggesting the need for ordinary differential equations (ODEs) to express the relationship between velocity, time, and forces acting on the mass. Questions arise regarding the correct signs for the forces involved, particularly the drag force in relation to gravitational force.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct formulation of the forces acting on the mass. Some participants have provided guidance on the signs of the forces and the relationship between acceleration and velocity, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants note the absence of a mark scheme, which may contribute to uncertainty about the completeness of their responses. There is also mention of the problem's scoring, indicating a need for clarity on how marks are allocated for different parts of the question.

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i have a question but no mark scheme so i can't see where I am going wrong. a mass, m, is dropped with speed zero from point O at time t=0 after time t it has traveled x. the body is subject to acceleration due to gravity and drag -mkv.

(A) write the equation of motion:

ok so i know v=dx/dt

and I've said f=m(dv/dt)

so f=m(dv/dt)=-mg-mkv? because theyre opposite

I can't think what else to write, since this is 5 marks... unless i need sort this in terms of ODE's where g and k are constants?

(B) calculate velocity as a function of time, and the limiting velocity at very large time.

so i need v(t)? from v=dx/dt and this is where i use ODE's and work out V.

again i can't see where the marks come from this is worth 8.
 
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keelejody said:
i have a question but no mark scheme so i can't see where I am going wrong. a mass, m, is dropped with speed zero from point O at time t=0 after time t it has traveled x. the body is subject to acceleration due to gravity and drag -mkv.

(A) write the equation of motion:

ok so i know v=dx/dt

and I've said f=m(dv/dt)

so f=m(dv/dt)=-mg-mkv? because theyre opposite

I can't think what else to write, since this is 5 marks... unless i need sort this in terms of ODE's where g and k are constants?

(B) calculate velocity as a function of time, and the limiting velocity at very large time.

so i need v(t)? from v=dx/dt and this is where i use ODE's and work out V.

again i can't see where the marks come from this is worth 8.

The accelerating force and the drag force are in opposite directions, so they should have opposite signs.
 


If you can write an expression for the total acceleration, you'll be away to the races.
 


keelejody said:
so f=m(dv/dt)=-mg-mkv? because theyre opposite

drag is opposite to velocity. velocity is in direction of g. Right. hence you cannot write m(dv/dt)=-mg-mkv. also dv/dt is +ve, this means
m(dv/dt)= mg - mkv
 

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