How Do You Calculate the Second Moment of Area for Complex Shapes?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the second moment of area for complex beam shapes, particularly in the context of determining deflection. Participants explore methods for breaking down the problem into manageable segments and applying equilibrium equations to find deflection values.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about deriving the second moment of area formula for a complex beam shape.
  • Another participant suggests splitting the beam into three segments to analyze deflection individually.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding whether splitting the beam allows for determining maximum deflection at the center and how forces would be treated in this scenario.
  • Participants discuss writing equilibrium equations for each segment to find forces and moments at connection points.
  • One participant requests examples to better understand the application of equilibrium equations and their relationship to deflection equations.
  • Another participant explains the conditions for static equilibrium and how to apply them to find internal forces and moments at segment connections.
  • There is acknowledgment of the need to use the beam equation and boundary conditions to calculate deflection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of segmenting the beam for analysis, but there is no consensus on the specifics of applying equilibrium equations or the best method for calculating deflection.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding equilibrium equations and their application, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge or assumptions about prior learning.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or professionals dealing with structural analysis, particularly those interested in beam deflection and the application of the second moment of area in complex shapes.

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Hi All,

I am having a doubt regarding second Moment of Area. I know how to determine the basic formula like the example below:

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But, when it become more complicated like picture below:

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I don't know how to determine the I formula.

The Question is how to find the second moment of area formula for the picture above which is use to find the deflection of the beam?

Thanks
 
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Hi Raita, welcome to PF. I can't see a way to solve this besides splitting the beam into three segments lengthwise and solving for the deflection of each individual segment.
 
Mapes said:
Hi Raita, welcome to PF. I can't see a way to solve this besides splitting the beam into three segments lengthwise and solving for the deflection of each individual segment.

Hi Mapes,

Thanks for the replied and is good to be here in PF. Let's say when a force and reaction force is acting on the beam structure like below:

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If we need to find the maximum deflection occurs in beam structure which is in the middle of the beam. According what you said, it need to be split into three segments like below:

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If i spit it out, is that able to find the maximum deflection occurs in the center of the beam? And how about the forces? Once it spitted, is that the forces will be separate like the picture above? Thanks
 
Right, and now you would write the equilibrium equations for each segment to get the forces and moments at each connection point. Then you could either link the known beam deflection equations or solve the beam equation [itex]EI(d^4w/dx^4)=0[/itex] while applying all the boundary conditions.
 
Mapes said:
Right, and now you would write the equilibrium equations for each segment to get the forces and moments at each connection point. Then you could either link the known beam deflection equations or solve the beam equation [itex]EI(d^4w/dx^4)=0[/itex] while applying all the boundary conditions.

Do you have any examples to show me? i not really understand about the equilibrium equations for each segment and the link between the deflection equations.
 
Let's take the first segment on the left. The external load is Ra, an upward force. For the segment to be in static equilibrium, the sum of the forces in the x and y directions must each be zero, and the moments around any point must be zero: [itex]\Sigma F_x=0[/itex], [itex]\Sigma F_y=0[/itex], [itex]\Sigma M_O=0[/itex]. Now consider the possible internal forces that must exist at the connection with segment two: a possible vertical force, a possible horizontal force, and a possible moment. Can you find the magnitudes of these forces and moment by applying the static equilibrium equations? If so, you can calculate the deflection at the connection by using the beam equation [itex]EI(d^4w/dx^4)=0[/itex], along with the boundary conditions (discussed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler–Bernoulli_beam_equation#Boundary_considerations", for example). Does this help? This technique may also be discussed in mechanics of materials texts (e.g., Johnston and Beer), but I don't have it on hand.
 
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Thanks mapes, now i get it what you mean. Give me sometime to digest and i will try to solve the problems.
 

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