How Do You Calculate Work on a pV Diagram When Pressure Varies?

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The discussion revolves around calculating work done by a gas during a process represented on a pV diagram, specifically when pressure varies. The original poster seeks to express the work in terms of initial pressure and volume.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formula for work done, questioning the applicability of W = p*deltaV when pressure is not constant. They explore the general form of the work equation and consider integration as a method to find work done over varying pressure.

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The conversation is active, with participants examining different interpretations of the work equation and the implications of pressure being a function of volume. Some guidance on integrating pressure over volume has been provided, but no consensus has been reached on the specific application of these concepts.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a specific problem context, which involves a pV diagram with varying pressure, and are attempting to reconcile their understanding of work done in thermodynamic processes.

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W = p*deltaV only holds for the case of constant p, that is true.

What is the general form of the work eqn. that holds for all types of paths? (Hint: It also invloves p and V, and it must reduce to the W = p*deltaV, when p is constant)
 
Is it W = p1V1 - p2V2?
 
No, recall that work done is given by W = F.x, hence dW = F.dx, where dx is a infinitesimal displacement in the direction of the force.

For ideal gases, F = pA, hence dW = pA.dx, or dW = p.dV.

Work is then found from integrating p.dV, with respect to V from Vfinal to Vinitial, which can be interpreted as the area under the pV graph
 
So pV from Vi to Vf, but isn't p still constant in this case?

The graph indicates that p is NOT constant.
 
no, p as indicated in this equation of the general case, is a function of V.
 
okay let's say from 1 to 3, pressure is decreasing from 3p to 2p, how would I apply that to pV| from Vi to Vf?

p(3V) - p(2V)?
 
Integration between two points of a function can be simplified by taking the area under the curve. Because, the graph is linear, it is very easy to find the value of the integral from 1 - 3 - 6, because the area under the curve is a trapezium (or trapezoid).
 

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