How Do You Calculate Work Required to Move a Charge Near a Charged Ring?

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The problem involves calculating the work required to move a point charge near a charged ring. The scenario includes a uniformly distributed charge around a ring and a point charge located at a distance from the ring's center. The subject area pertains to electrostatics and potential energy in electric fields.

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  • Participants discuss the use of an equation for potential energy and question its applicability to the problem. There is confusion regarding the units of electrical potential and how they relate to the work calculation. Some suggest finding the electric field at specific points to derive the potential and subsequently the work.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the equations involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between electric potential and potential energy, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to solve the problem.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of using specific equations and their units. There is a noted confusion about how to correctly apply the concepts of electric potential and potential energy in the context of the charged ring and point charge setup.

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A charge of 10 nC is uniformly distributed around a ring of radius 10 cm that has its center at the origin and its axis along the x axis. A point charge of 1 nC is located at x = 1.75 m. Find the work required to move the point charge to the origin. Give your answer in both joules and electron volts.

I'm using this equation, but I'm I keep getting it wrong. U=\frac{kqQ}{\sqrt{a^{2}+z^{2}}}

a=10 cm
z=1.75 m
q=1 nC
Q=10 nC
 
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Look at the units of your equation.
It is in Newtons*Meters

What are the units of electrical potential? How would you adjust your equation to compensate, or what do you think it DOES describe that is of use to you?
 
I guess what's confusing me is that it is asking for an answer in Joules. Isn't electrical potential N*m/C? So I should divide by a charge for potential?
 
BustedBreaks said:
I guess what's confusing me is that it is asking for an answer in Joules. Isn't electrical potential N*m/C? So I should divide by a charge for potential?

Exactly! What you have there is an expression for the potential energy of a particle of charge q

1 V = 1\frac{J}{C}=1\frac{N\cdot m}{C}

I do, however, think that your equation doesn't have anything to do with the potential energy of a particle in the system described? How did you get it?

Try finding the field at that point, and the field at the origin (The center of the ring) and use the fields there to find the electrical potential. Using the potential, you can find the work that the question asks for.

For the two dimensional case:

U_{AB}=\int^{A}_{B} E \cdot dr
 
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RoyalCat said:
Exactly! What you have there is an expression for the potential energy of a particle of charge q

1 V = 1\frac{J}{C}=1\frac{N\cdot m}{C}

I do, however, think that your equation doesn't have anything to do with the potential energy of a particle in the system described? How did you get it?

Try finding the field at that point, and the field at the origin (The center of the ring) and use the fields there to find the electrical potential. Using the potential, you can find the work that the question asks for.

For the two dimensional case:

U_{AB}=\int^{A}_{B} E \cdot dr


My original equation, U=\frac{kqQ}{\sqrt{a^{2}+z^{2}}} gives units N*m which is Joules, which is what the question asks for... Why is that wrong?

The equation you gave at the bottom won't give Joules if I Integrate E for a charged ring, E=\frac{KQz}{(z^{2}+a^{2})^{\frac{3}{2}}}

I would have to multiply that by a charge, maybe q, to get units of work...

Still not working for me.
 

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