How Do You Determine the Radius in Solids of Revolution Problems?

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The discussion revolves around determining the radius in solids of revolution problems, focusing on how the orientation of the function relative to the axis of revolution affects the radius. Participants explore various scenarios, including the implications of rotating around different axes and the conceptual challenges faced in these problems.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for a generalized formula to determine the radius of a solid of revolution and expresses confusion about the role of the function's orientation relative to the axis of revolution.
  • Another participant explains that the radius is the distance from the axis of rotation to the curve, emphasizing that this distance is the y-coordinate when rotating around the x-axis and the x-coordinate when rotating around the y-axis.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding whether the y in the expression (y+4) refers to the function of the curve or just the variable, highlighting confusion in applying these concepts to work and hydrostatic force questions.
  • One participant asserts that the variable "y" represents the distance from the x-axis to the curve and reiterates that the determination of the radius depends on the geometry of the situation, particularly in relation to the axes involved.
  • There is a discussion about whether finding the radius involves adding or subtracting values based on the curve's position relative to the axis of rotation and the x and y axes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the principles involved in determining the radius, with some clarifying points and others seeking further explanation. No consensus is reached on a singular method or formula for all scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the determination of the radius can depend on specific geometric configurations and that there is no fixed rule applicable to all cases. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of the relationship between the curve and the axis of rotation.

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Is there a simple or generalized way (formula) to generate the radius of a solid of revolution? How does the orientation of the function relative to the axis of revolution affect the radius (radius= 4-f(x) or 4+f(x))? Why is the radius sometimes only x or y , and other times some other function? I consistently get the radius wrong in the solid of revolution problems with non-zero axis, and don't know if its a conceptual problem or that I just never learned the correct way to determine the radius. Thank you.
 
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What axis is the curve being rotated about? The radius is the distance from that line, along a line perpendicular to it, to the curve. IF the curve is rotated around the x-axis, then that distance is the y-coordinate of a point on curve. If the curve is rotated around the y-axis then that distance is the x-coordinate.

If the curve is rotated around the line y= -4, the distance is, first 4 up to the x-axis, y=0, and than the y-axis of the point: y+ 4.
 
HallsofIvy said:
What axis is the curve being rotated about? The radius is the distance from that line, along a line perpendicular to it, to the curve. IF the curve is rotated around the x-axis, then that distance is the y-coordinate of a point on curve. If the curve is rotated around the y-axis then that distance is the x-coordinate.

If the curve is rotated around the line y= -4, the distance is, first 4 up to the x-axis, y=0, and than the y-axis of the point: y+ 4.

When you say the distance between the curve and axis of rotation is the y-coordinate, is the y in (y+4) equal to the function of the curve, or just the y variable, if it's on the curve? I seem to be having this problem understanding when to use just the variable or the function of the curve with work and hydrostatic force questions as well. Also, does it matter where the curve is relative to the axis of rotation and the x and y axes, or just the axis of rotation, when finding the radius? Is finding the radius just a matter of adding or subtracting the value of the axis of rotation depending on if the curve is "above" or "below" the axis of rotation wrt the x and y axes. I'm sorry if you have answered the question already in your reply, I'm just not sure if I'm understanding it completely. Thank you.
 
GRB 080319B said:
When you say the distance between the curve and axis of rotation is the y-coordinate, is the y in (y+4) equal to the function of the curve, or just the y variable, if it's on the curve? I seem to be having this problem understanding when to use just the variable or the function of the curve with work and hydrostatic force questions as well.
There is no difference. The variable "y" in a coordinate system, is, by definition, the distance from the x-axis to a given curve.

Also, does it matter where the curve is relative to the axis of rotation and the x and y axes, or just the axis of rotation, when finding the radius? Is finding the radius just a matter of adding or subtracting the value of the axis of rotation depending on if the curve is "above" or "below" the axis of rotation wrt the x and y axes.
It is a matter, as I said before, of distance from one point to another. How that is written in terms of x and y will, of course, depend on where the curve is relative to the x and y axes. There is no fixed rule, it depends on the geometry of the situation. When you are rotating around the x or y axes, or axes parallel to them, it is pretty simple and, just like in finding differences between points on an axis, a matter of adding or subtracting. If you were, for example, rotating a curve around the line y= x, that would be more difficult.

I'm sorry if you have answered the question already in your reply, I'm just not sure if I'm understanding it completely. Thank you.
 

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