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- What is the reasoning behind the expansion of the universe is accelerating?
The observations could also be interpreted as a slowing down of the expansion since
the more distant you look the further you look into the past.
I'm trying to check the reasoning behind the "accelerating expansion of the universe",
but do not find anything sufficiently accurate or convincing.
For example in "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_universe" is put:
"Observations show that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, such that the velocity
at which a distant galaxy recedes from the observer is continuously increasing with time."
It is not clear what is exactly ment with "time" and what the context is.
My impression is that with "time" is ment something synonymous to "observed distance".
But they are two completely different parameters and they are not one on one.
Any relation between the two needs to be explained explicitly and how it relates to the measurements.
About "Supernova observations":
"The idea was that as type Ia supernovae have almost the same intrinsic brightness (a standard candle),
and since objects that are further away appear dimmer, the observed brightness of these supernovae can
be used to measure the distance to them. The distance can then be compared to the supernovae's
cosmological redshift, which measures how much the universe has expanded since the supernova occurred;
the Hubble law established that the further away an object is, the faster it is receding.
The unexpected result was that objects in the universe are moving away from one another at an accelerating rate."
It is a very suggestive picture, but the reasoning is full with large holes:
- Again there is the same confusion between "time" and "distance".
You are not measuring the light going from our position to the distant galaxy, and it is not instantly.
You are measuring the light that we receive now and was emitted long ago in the distant past in the distant galaxy.
You are looking at what happened in the past.
- Distance can be seen as the time it took for the light to travel from the emitting galaxy to us divided by the light speed.
But this is already implicitly dependant on the expansion of the universe and on relativistic effects.
That makes it a lot more complicated.
- The cosmological redshift does not directly measure how much the universe has expanded since the supernova occurred.
Also here relativistic effects and possibly other effects have to be taken into account and corrected for.
- A distant red-shifted galaxy cannot be used as a measure of the size of the universe, it is not on the edge of the universe.
It is tempting to see it as a kind of radius R of the universe or of the expansion. It is not however,
it is just a distant galaxy inbetween that is emitting light and that light appears red-shifted to us.
And that needs to be interpreted.
looking more closer at it:
If you see two galaxies g0 and g1 on the same line, with one galaxy g0 just a bit further than the other g1.
Use g0 as origine of your coordinate system. At time t0 = 0 light is emitted from g0.
At the later time t1, this light passes galaxy g1 and g1 is also emitting light.
At time T we receive the light from both galaxies.
From our perspective:
If the instrumentation measures more than expected red-shift from the light received from g0 and g1 and
if the light from galaxy g0 has more additional red-shift than the light from galaxy g1 (which is closer),
then light that was emitted later in time (from galaxy g1) shows less excess red-shift than light from g0.
I have to assume here that relativistic effects (and possible other mechanisms that can cause a red-shift effect),
have been taken into account and we are talking only about an additional red-shift unaccounted for.
So, moving forward in time (for subsequent emitted light), the amount of additional red-shift is diminishing over time,
i.e. it says expansion is slowing down and there is no accelerating expansion of the universe.
I do not see how you can get to the conclusion that "Observations show that the expansion of the universe is accelerating"
based on the measurements.
(In which the reasoning also needs to be correct obviously).
The question remains, how do you get at this conclusion from the observations?
What is the reasoning?
but do not find anything sufficiently accurate or convincing.
For example in "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_universe" is put:
"Observations show that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, such that the velocity
at which a distant galaxy recedes from the observer is continuously increasing with time."
It is not clear what is exactly ment with "time" and what the context is.
My impression is that with "time" is ment something synonymous to "observed distance".
But they are two completely different parameters and they are not one on one.
Any relation between the two needs to be explained explicitly and how it relates to the measurements.
About "Supernova observations":
"The idea was that as type Ia supernovae have almost the same intrinsic brightness (a standard candle),
and since objects that are further away appear dimmer, the observed brightness of these supernovae can
be used to measure the distance to them. The distance can then be compared to the supernovae's
cosmological redshift, which measures how much the universe has expanded since the supernova occurred;
the Hubble law established that the further away an object is, the faster it is receding.
The unexpected result was that objects in the universe are moving away from one another at an accelerating rate."
It is a very suggestive picture, but the reasoning is full with large holes:
- Again there is the same confusion between "time" and "distance".
You are not measuring the light going from our position to the distant galaxy, and it is not instantly.
You are measuring the light that we receive now and was emitted long ago in the distant past in the distant galaxy.
You are looking at what happened in the past.
- Distance can be seen as the time it took for the light to travel from the emitting galaxy to us divided by the light speed.
But this is already implicitly dependant on the expansion of the universe and on relativistic effects.
That makes it a lot more complicated.
- The cosmological redshift does not directly measure how much the universe has expanded since the supernova occurred.
Also here relativistic effects and possibly other effects have to be taken into account and corrected for.
- A distant red-shifted galaxy cannot be used as a measure of the size of the universe, it is not on the edge of the universe.
It is tempting to see it as a kind of radius R of the universe or of the expansion. It is not however,
it is just a distant galaxy inbetween that is emitting light and that light appears red-shifted to us.
And that needs to be interpreted.
looking more closer at it:
If you see two galaxies g0 and g1 on the same line, with one galaxy g0 just a bit further than the other g1.
Use g0 as origine of your coordinate system. At time t0 = 0 light is emitted from g0.
At the later time t1, this light passes galaxy g1 and g1 is also emitting light.
At time T we receive the light from both galaxies.
From our perspective:
If the instrumentation measures more than expected red-shift from the light received from g0 and g1 and
if the light from galaxy g0 has more additional red-shift than the light from galaxy g1 (which is closer),
then light that was emitted later in time (from galaxy g1) shows less excess red-shift than light from g0.
I have to assume here that relativistic effects (and possible other mechanisms that can cause a red-shift effect),
have been taken into account and we are talking only about an additional red-shift unaccounted for.
So, moving forward in time (for subsequent emitted light), the amount of additional red-shift is diminishing over time,
i.e. it says expansion is slowing down and there is no accelerating expansion of the universe.
I do not see how you can get to the conclusion that "Observations show that the expansion of the universe is accelerating"
based on the measurements.
(In which the reasoning also needs to be correct obviously).
The question remains, how do you get at this conclusion from the observations?
What is the reasoning?