How Do You Solve Quantum Operator Commutators?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding quantum operator commutators, specifically focusing on examples involving the momentum operator and angular momentum operator. Participants are exploring the algebraic manipulation of these operators and their commutation relations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to simplify commutators involving operators and questioning the nature of certain variables, such as whether \( x^n \) is an operator. There is also discussion about the application of known commutation relations and identities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of operators and suggested deriving commutation relations as a means to progress. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply these relations to the examples presented, with no explicit consensus reached on the methods to be used.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of using functions in the context of operator commutation, noting that the original goal is to find the commutator. There is mention of the time-consuming nature of writing operator symbols, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Hi,guys. I have a hard time understanding algebra and tricks of operators.
So i have few examples:
1)[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]2x,xn]
2)[[itex]\hat{l}[/itex]z,x],where [itex]\hat{l}[/itex]z=x[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]y-y[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x

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The Attempt at a Solution


1)[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]2x,xn]=
[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x [itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn]=
[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn]+[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn][itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x
So xn is not a operator,i don't know what i should do next?

2)[[itex]\hat{l}[/itex]z,x],where [itex]\hat{l}[/itex]z=x[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]y-y[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x
Some tips or ideas here ?






 
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prehisto said:

The Attempt at a Solution


1)[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]2x,xn]=
[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x [itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn]=
[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn]+[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn][itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x
So xn is not a operator,i don't know what i should do next?

Hi.
What makes you say that x is not an operator? You've probably seen the relation:
[itex]\hat{x}[/itex]|ψ>= x|ψ> in position-eigenstates basis, so xn doesn't contain
anything mysterious, it's just the operator x raised to the n-power (applied n times).
Since you know already the identity: [A,BC] = B[A,C] + [A,B]C, and presumably the values of:
[xi,pj] and [xi,xj] you should manage to get through the problem...
 
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Goddar said:
Hi.
What makes you say that x is not an operator? You've probably seen the relation:
[itex]\hat{x}[/itex]|ψ>= x|ψ> in position-eigenstates basis, so xn doesn't contain
anything mysterious, it's just the operator x raised to the n-power (applied n times).
Since you know already the identity: [A,BC] = B[A,C] + [A,B]C, and presumably the values of:
[xi,pj] and [xi,xj] you should manage to get through the problem...

Hello,again . I am looking now at 2. example.
*will not write the operator sign ,its too time consuming .
So [lz,x]=lzx-xlz=
now can i simply multiply lz components by x and then i assume that lz components act on x?
like this:
=xpy(x)-ypx(x)-xlz ?

p.s. the original goal of this example is to find comutator. I have seen that in this kind of examples are functions on which operators act ,for example,[lz,x]f(x). Maybe i need to introduce a function here ?
 
Ok, if you don't know already the commutation relations between xi and pj then indeed i suggest you derive them by yourself, using a "dummy" function:
[xi,pj]f(x,y,z) = xi{pjf(x,y,z)}–pj{xif(x,y,z)} = ...

But once you know them, this problem doesn't require using a function anymore since, for instance:
[lz,x]=[xpy,x] – [ypx,x] = x[py,x] + [x,x]py – y[px,x] – [y,x]px = ...
 

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