How Do You Solve Quantum Operator Commutators?

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Homework Statement


Hi,guys. I have a hard time understanding algebra and tricks of operators.
So i have few examples:
1)[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]2x,xn]
2)[[itex]\hat{l}[/itex]z,x],where [itex]\hat{l}[/itex]z=x[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]y-y[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x

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The Attempt at a Solution


1)[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]2x,xn]=
[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x [itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn]=
[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn]+[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn][itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x
So xn is not a operator,i don't know what i should do next?

2)[[itex]\hat{l}[/itex]z,x],where [itex]\hat{l}[/itex]z=x[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]y-y[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x
Some tips or ideas here ?






 
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prehisto said:

The Attempt at a Solution


1)[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]2x,xn]=
[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x [itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn]=
[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn]+[[itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x,xn][itex]\hat{p}[/itex]x
So xn is not a operator,i don't know what i should do next?

Hi.
What makes you say that x is not an operator? You've probably seen the relation:
[itex]\hat{x}[/itex]|ψ>= x|ψ> in position-eigenstates basis, so xn doesn't contain
anything mysterious, it's just the operator x raised to the n-power (applied n times).
Since you know already the identity: [A,BC] = B[A,C] + [A,B]C, and presumably the values of:
[xi,pj] and [xi,xj] you should manage to get through the problem...
 
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Goddar said:
Hi.
What makes you say that x is not an operator? You've probably seen the relation:
[itex]\hat{x}[/itex]|ψ>= x|ψ> in position-eigenstates basis, so xn doesn't contain
anything mysterious, it's just the operator x raised to the n-power (applied n times).
Since you know already the identity: [A,BC] = B[A,C] + [A,B]C, and presumably the values of:
[xi,pj] and [xi,xj] you should manage to get through the problem...

Hello,again . I am looking now at 2. example.
*will not write the operator sign ,its too time consuming .
So [lz,x]=lzx-xlz=
now can i simply multiply lz components by x and then i assume that lz components act on x?
like this:
=xpy(x)-ypx(x)-xlz ?

p.s. the original goal of this example is to find comutator. I have seen that in this kind of examples are functions on which operators act ,for example,[lz,x]f(x). Maybe i need to introduce a function here ?
 
Ok, if you don't know already the commutation relations between xi and pj then indeed i suggest you derive them by yourself, using a "dummy" function:
[xi,pj]f(x,y,z) = xi{pjf(x,y,z)}–pj{xif(x,y,z)} = ...

But once you know them, this problem doesn't require using a function anymore since, for instance:
[lz,x]=[xpy,x] – [ypx,x] = x[py,x] + [x,x]py – y[px,x] – [y,x]px = ...