How Do You Solve These Coupled Differential Equations?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a pair of coupled differential equations related to the variables \( l \) and \( u \). Participants explore various methods for finding solutions, including substitution and manipulation of the equations. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the solutions can be approximated as \( l \propto x^{n} \) and \( u \propto x^{n-1} \) but expresses uncertainty about deriving these solutions rigorously.
  • Another participant proposes subtracting the first equation from the second to simplify the problem, noting that this leads to the derivative of \( l/u \).
  • A different approach is introduced by dividing one equation by the other, leading to a general solution of the form \( u = l^p \), with a suggestion to substitute this back into the second equation.
  • One participant claims that the first equation for \( u \) is "partially uncoupled" from the second equation, allowing them to solve for \( u \) independently first, leading to a specific expression for \( u \) and subsequently for \( l \).
  • A participant acknowledges their initial misunderstanding regarding the dependency of the first equation on \( l \) and thanks another for the clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the coupling of the equations and the methods for solving them. There is no consensus on a single approach or solution, and some participants correct or refine earlier claims without establishing a definitive resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the relationships between the variables and the constants in the equations remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these assumptions on the solutions proposed.

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I have the equations

[tex]\frac{l}{u^{2}} \frac{du}{dx}=constant[/tex]

and

[tex]\frac{1}{u} \frac{dl}{dx}=constant[/tex].

By "eyeball", I can say the solution is
[tex]l \propto x^{n} \ and \ u \propto x^{n-1}[/tex].

I can't see how I could arrive at these solutions 'properly', if you know what I mean
 
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Substract the first equation from the second, and observe that what you got on the left hand side is just the derivative of (l/u).
 
Alternatively, divide one equation by the other

[tex]\frac{l}{u} \frac{du}{dl} = c[/tex]

which has the general solution

[tex]u = l^p[/itex]<br /> <br /> Substitute that in the second equation ...[/tex]
 
Those equations are, in fact, "partially uncoupled"- the first equation, for u, does not depend on l. What I would do is just go ahead and solve the first equation for u, without regard for the second equation.
[tex]\frac{1}{u^2}\frac{du}{dx}= C[/tex]
so
[tex]\frac{du}{u^2}= Cdx[/tex]
integrating,
[tex]-\frac{1}{u}= Cx+ D[/tex]
so that
[itex]u= -\frac{1}{Cx+ D}[/tex]<br /> <br /> Now put that into the second equation:<br /> [tex]\frac{1}{u}\frac{dl}{dx}= -(Cx+ D}\frac{dl}{dx}= E[/tex]<br /> [tex]-dl= -E(Cx+ D)dx[/tex]<br /> so<br /> [tex]-l(x)= -\frac{EC}{2}x^2- EDx+ F[/tex][/itex]
 
Thanks guys ... I had started on the "divide one equation by the other" path, but for some reason did not carry it to it's conclusion.

@HallsofIvy, the first equation actually does depend on [tex]l[/tex]; I guess you mistook the [tex]l[/tex] in the numerator for [tex]1[/tex]. Thanks anyway :)
 
You are right about that- sorry.
 

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