How do you take the limit of a function approaching negative infinity?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of a function as it approaches negative infinity, specifically the expression lim_{x\rightarrow -∞}\frac{\sqrt{9x^{6}-x}}{x^{3}+1}. Participants are exploring the implications of the square root and the behavior of the function under these conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to manipulate the limit expression by factoring out terms and considering the behavior of the square root as x approaches negative infinity. Some are questioning the validity of dividing by x^3 and the implications of the sign changes in the expressions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning regarding the signs and the treatment of the terms in the limit. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the treatment of negative values in the context of the limit.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of working with negative values and the behavior of odd and even powers in the context of limits approaching negative infinity. There is also mention of previous class discussions on horizontal asymptotes, which may influence their understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


How would you take this limit? The function is:
[tex]lim_{x\rightarrow -∞}\frac{\sqrt{9x^{6}-x}}{x^{3}+1}[/tex]


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The Attempt at a Solution


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Uh, square root of negative infinity?

Graphing tells me that this should go to -3.

I just recalled that I can pull the 9 out to get 3root(-∞) ?
 
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QuarkCharmer said:
[tex]lim_{x\rightarrow -∞}\frac{\sqrt{\frac{9x^{6}}{x^3}-\frac{x}{x^3}}}{\frac{x^{3}}{x^3}+\frac{1}{x^3}}[/tex]
Nooooooo... you can't just divide by x3 when you have a square root in the numerator!
 
QuarkCharmer said:

Homework Statement


How would you take this limit? The function is:
[tex]lim_{x\rightarrow -∞}\frac{\sqrt{9x^{6}-x}}{x^{3}+1}[/tex]


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


34oy2d2.jpg

Uh, square root of negative infinity?

Graphing tells me that this should go to -3.

I just recalled that I can pull the 9 out to get 3root(-∞) ?

You made an error with the squareroot. On the numerator, you're multiplying by 1/x^3 (which is fine). How do you proceed to move this into the squareroot?
 
We briefly touched on this idea in class Friday, and only talked about polynomials, and the proof of the way we determine horizontal asymptotes without limits.

[tex]lim_{x\rightarrow -∞}\frac{\frac{\sqrt{9x^{6}-x}}{x^3}}{1+\frac{1}{x^3}}[/tex]

I'm really not sure where to go from there?
 
QuarkCharmer said:
We briefly touched on this idea in class Friday, and only talked about polynomials, and the proof of the way we determine horizontal asymptotes without limits.

[tex]lim_{x\rightarrow -∞}\frac{\frac{\sqrt{9x^{6}-x}}{x^3}}{1+\frac{1}{x^3}}[/tex]

I'm really not sure where to go from there?
Note that
[tex]x^3 = -\sqrt{x^6}[/tex]
(since x is approaching negative infinity)

So
[tex]lim_{x\rightarrow -∞}\frac{\frac{\sqrt{9x^{6}-x}}{x^3}}{1+\frac{1}{x^3}} = lim_{x\rightarrow -∞}\frac{\frac{\sqrt{9x^{6}-x}}{-\sqrt{x^6}}}{1+\frac{1}{x^3}} = ...[/tex]
 
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I get what to do now, for the most part. Now I assume I must have some sign error. As noted above
[tex]x^3=\sqrt{x^6}[/tex]
I don't understand how you got the negative there. The exponent is odd. Is it because the limit to -inf assumes x is negative?
 
QuarkCharmer said:
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I get what to do now, for the most part. Now I assume I must have some sign error. As noted above
[tex]x^3=\sqrt{x^6}[/tex]
I don't understand how you got the negative there. The exponent is odd. Is it because the limit to -inf assumes x is negative?

Yes, that's right. Since x is negative, x^3 is the negative square root of x^6.
 
So, should I be dividing everything by the negative highest degree in the cases when x tends to negative infinity?

If that is the case, then the top would evaluate to -3 sure, but the denominator would be -1 after the limit, making the solution positive 3?
 
No, no. You're still dividing top and bottom by x^3, not -x^3. However, in the "denominator of the numerator", you're going to change x^3 to -sqrt(x6). Now, why -sqrt(x6) and not +sqrt(x6)? The reason is because x^3 is only equal to sqrt(x6) for positive x. For negative x, x^3 is equal to -sqrt(x6).

Hopefully I helped out a bit here.
 
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I'm not sure I understand why only the numerators denominator is getting the negative?
 
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QuarkCharmer said:
I'm not sure I understand why only the numerator's denominator is getting the negative?
Because you leave the denominator's denominator as x3.

In the numerator's denominator you change x3 to [itex]-\sqrt{x^6}\,.[/itex]
 
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So essentially, the whole expression is getting it's sign changed then?
 
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QuarkCharmer said:
So essentially, the whole expression is getting it's sign changed then?
Yes ... At least that's the way in appears.

Actually, the expression is less than zero (i.e., negative) for x < -1 . It's just that you need to explicitly provide a negative sign when you change x3 to [itex]-\sqrt{x^6}[/itex] if x < 0 .
 

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