How Do You Write a PDE in Terms of x and y?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the formulation of a partial differential equation (PDE) in two dimensions, specifically focusing on a set of coupled PDEs involving variables $n$, $f$, and $c$. Participants are examining the mathematical representation and interpretation of these equations, with particular attention to the terms involved and their implications.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Carla expresses uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the PDE for $n$, particularly regarding the term involving the nabla operator.
  • Some participants confirm that the nabla operator applied to a scalar function does yield a vector of length 2, and that the dot product representation is accurate.
  • Dan suggests that the first term in the equation for $\partial n / \partial t$ should be $\nabla^2 n$, indicating a potential correction to Carla's equation.
  • Another participant agrees with Dan, noting that the term could also be represented as $\Delta n$, which is equivalent to $\nabla^2 n$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct form of the equation for $\partial n / \partial t$, as some participants support Carla's original formulation while others suggest corrections. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accurate representation of the first term.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the terms in the PDE, and there are assumptions about the definitions and properties of the nabla operator and Laplacian that are not explicitly stated.

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Hi all,

I am hoping someone can help me understand a PDE. I am reading a paper and am trying to follow the math. My experience with PDEs is limited though and I am not sure I am understanding it all correctly. I have 3 coupled PDEs, for $n$, $f$ and $c$, that are written in general form, and I would like to write them in 2d (in terms of x and y directions). The equations for $f$ and $c$ are fairly straightforward, but I am having some trouble with the one for $n$:

$$\frac{\partial n}{\partial t} = D^2 \nabla n - \nabla \cdot (\chi(c) n \nabla c) - \rho \nabla \cdot (n \nabla c) $$

$D$, and $\rho$ are constants. The first term on the RHS confuses me most as I thought $\nabla$ means gradient, so would return a vector of length 2? The second term I think expands to

$$\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\chi(c) n \frac{\partial c}{\partial x}\right) + \frac{\partial}{\partial y}\left(\chi(c) n \frac{\partial c}{\partial y}\right)$$

is this correct? Thank you very much for your help, Carla.
 
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Hi Carla,

What you write is correct.
The nabla operator applied to a scalar function of (x,y) returns indeed a vector of length 2.
And the dot product of the nabla operator is indeed what you wrote.
 
I would double-check the equation for [math]\partial n / \partial t[/math]. My guess is that the first term should be [math]\nabla ^2 n[/math].

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
I would double-check the equation for [math]\partial n / \partial t[/math]. My guess is that the first term should be [math]\nabla ^2 n[/math].
Indeed. It could also have been written as $\Delta n$ with the Laplace operator, which is the same as $\nabla^2 n$.
 

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