How Does a Complete Loss of Self-Image Affect Fitness Decisions?

[Willowz]

FlexTheMeat

 

[FlexGunship]

Well, FlexGunship started as a gamer tag for online gaming (not that I play video games anymore).

I have friends who have the following names:

• Smash Dreadnought
• Limp Tugboat

 

[Moonbear]

I realized, recently, that I've been making fitness decisions almost exclusively based on numbers and statistics. I think it's because I actually, literally, cannot tell how I look when I see myself in the mirror. I pride myself in my rationalism, but I'm beginning to think I'm experiencing a similar condition to what anorexics may deal with.

For the last couple of months, I've been on a high calorie, high protein diet. I've been exercising and doing practical strength training. I can see my weight go up on the scale. I can see my body fat percentage change. But when I look in the mirror I have absolutely no idea how I compare to anyone else. I'm experiencing a unconscious resistance to over-rating myself coupled with an unconscious desire to feel pride.

Has anyone else experienced a complete loss of self-image?

I hate to break the news to you, but the disorder you're suffering from is...

<drumroll please>


being completely normal.

You're probably so used to reading stories from people with one sort of a disorder or another...those who look at themselves and see too big, too small, too this or that, that you've lost perspective that normal people just really don't see themselves as anything extraordinary one way or the other. It's REALLY hard to look at yourself and know how you compare to other people, and there really isn't much need to do so.

Are you otherwise happy? Do you have some good friends and social relationships? Are you enjoying working out? Do you have the energy to keep doing it? If so, yep, you're hopelessly normal. That's a good thing.

You care enough about your body to work out (so you're NOT lacking in self image), but aren't obsessing over body parts...you're not trying to make something bigger, smaller, etc.

 

[rhody]

Sigh, I retire my question.

It just a dose of cognitive dissonance. I was thinking that it was a universal neural blind spot, but no one seems to know what I'm talking about.

I officially declare the thread over.

Flex,

Ever since you posted this, a little bird went off in my head, I read about this months ago, fortunately it only took me an hour or so to find it, from "Mapping the Mind" by Rita Carter, page 196. See figure below:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8883/voneconomo.jpg
quoted from the text:

Von Economo neurons (VENs) are long spindly cells which have been found only in human brains and those of some other primates and which seem to be crucial for social intelligence. They occur in the anterior cingulate cortex (ACC) and, in humans in the insula. The ACC is active when people assess their own actions, especially in a social context, and when we experience empathy, trust, guilt and deceipt. It seems to measure what a person is doing, and the results of the action, against their goals, providing a feedback mechanism that alerts people speedily to their errors so they can alter their actions. VENs bridge the upper part of the limbic system at the bottom of the ACC, and the cortex, and are thought to ensure that information about one's visceral reactions to what is going on are communicated to the cortex so that they can be taken into account as the conscious brain works out what to do, They are one of the mechanisms which seem to give rise to the sense of self. In the insula, which is concerned with the visceral self (monitoring our body's boundaries, and information from the internal organs) VENs may carry out a similar bridging function. One part of the brain which is particularly concerned with monitoring own own internal states lies within the inside front edge of the longitudinal fissure, the deep chasm that runs from the front of the brain to the back. This, the anterior cingulate cortex, is sensitive to information from the body and seems to play a part in labeling stimuli as coming from outside or in.

Rhody...

Perhaps SW Vandecarr or Pythagorean would care to comment or elaborate further...
I am not suggesting I know why you experienced what you did, just where and what parts of the brain may be involved.

 

[Chronos]

That brain picture totally disoriented me.

 

[Pythagorean]

"one of the mechanisms" :P that about sums it up!

I've heard a lot about the precuneus and also the temporoparietal junction (naively, temporal lobes are semantic memory and parietal lobes are based in abstractions of spatial sensory, so you might see how people can define the border between themselves and the outside world in a spatial and semantic way.) I think Ramachandran talked about the angular gyrus, which is around that area. But then there's also the whole pre-frontal cortex's.

So I guess you can be in many places at once, as long as your locations are located a small distance from each other.

 

[FlexGunship]

Flex,

Ever since you posted this, a little bird went off in my head, I read about this months ago, fortunately it only took me an hour or so to find it, from "Mapping the Mind" by Rita Carter, page 196. See figure below:

Rhody, I appreciate the time you invested in your contribution. Alas, I seem pretty good at determining internal stimuli and external stimuli (well, as far as I can tell), and apart from my political views, I really don't know that I have any difficulty gauging social interactions.

It seems to measure what a person is doing, and the results of the action, against their goals, providing a feedback mechanism that alerts people speedily to their errors so they can alter their actions.

This I pride myself on. I can admit I'm wrong so fast that people get frustrated because they can't "call me on it."

Friend: "Dude, you're doing that wrong."
Flex: "No, I'm--- Oh, yeah. Thanks."
Friend: "Idiot."
Flex: "I know, right?"

Maybe my VENs are okay. In any case, something to mull over. Thanks, I love learning new things.

 

[DoggerDan]

I did an AWFUL job of explaining it, I guess. I don't have a self-esteem issue. I'm happy with my body, and I'm really pleased with the changes I'm making.

That being said... I couldn't tell you if my body looks like the scrawny guy riding the BMX bike without a shirt, or like James Bond-era Pierce Brosnan.

Without a couple of profile pics, either color, B&W, or even shadow, we can't tell what shape you're in, either.

As for diet and exercise, just go paleo and stay active, as in working hard several hours a day.

 

[FlexGunship]

Available in the member photo thread.