How to calculate flow loss between 90 and 45 degree fittings

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding flow loss in plumbing systems, specifically comparing the impact of using 90-degree fittings versus two 45-degree fittings in an aquarium setup. Participants explore the principles of fluid mechanics and seek to clarify the relationship between pressure loss and flow rate in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the calculation of flow loss when using one 90-degree fitting compared to two 45-degree fittings, expressing confusion over conflicting information from various sources.
  • Another participant provides a link to a resource that offers equivalent lengths for elbows, suggesting that this could aid in flow calculations.
  • A different participant references their experience with dynometer testing, asserting that any bends or elbows affect pressure, and shares a formula for calculating pressure loss based on flow velocity and fitting type.
  • One participant mentions standard references for fluid flow, recommending specific texts that could provide deeper insights into practical fluid flow problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of flow loss between the two types of fittings, with some suggesting that two 45-degree fittings are preferable while others question the impact of the fittings in smaller setups. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of flow loss and the validity of various claims.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of fluid mechanics and the potential for varying results based on specific setups, indicating that assumptions about flow conditions and fitting types may influence outcomes.

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Hi everyone. Let me give a little bit of background on the problem I need help understanding.

I want to plumb an aquarium that has a sump and move the water from the sump to the main aquarium using a pump and 1" PVC pipe. The total system pipe length is going to be roughly 10 feet total with some elbows in between. I've read that using two 45 degree fittings is better than one 90 but this is the thing I want to understand that is not clear to determine if it is worth the gain from using the two 45 vs one 90 (on multiple places in the setup).

How do I calculate the flow loss (not pressure) of using one 90 degree fittings vs two 45 degree ones? What is the math behind this principle? I've been reading some fluid mechanic literature but so far I think it is just too technical for a simple human like me to try to apply it in a simple aquarium setup.

I saw a video here of some company that did a test with the two types of fittings and basically discovered that there is no really impact on chosing the 90 or 45 degree fittings for this application which confused me a lot since from what I've been reading there should be pressure head loss from using the 90 vs the 45s, but I haven't been able to find anywhere online that explains what does pressure loss have to do with flow rate. I feel like they should have found some difference in using one fitting or the other, or maybe their setup is just too small that the flow loss is insignificant, or maybe they just did it completely wrong. If you could help me understand the logic behind all this it would be great, or point me in the right direction to understand this topic a little better.

Thanks a lot for your time.
 
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see other post on this excellent physics forum

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/pressure-drop-in-elbows-bends-in-a-pipe.179830/

From my dynometer testing days, on race engines, any elbows, bends and restrictions affect the oil pump pressure.

copied from another post on internet..
Loss of pressure can be calculated using the formula hL =K v2/2g, where hL is the velocity head, v is velocity of flow, and g is the acceleration of gravity.

f is the friction factor (which may be found in tables or determined experimentally):

Turns result in f as follows:
90 degree turn ("L") = 60f
90 degree Sweep = 30f
45 degree sweep = 10f
T straight through = 20f
T through branch = 60f

The absolute most restrictive type of turn is the 90 degree turn ("L") & the T through branch (60f).

Using two 45 degree fittings is a better choice over 90 degree elbows.
 
Where I work the standard references are Crane Tech Paper No. 410 Flow of fluids through valves, fittings, and pipes, and Idel'chik Handbook of Hydraulic resistance. Crane used to be cheap (I got mine new from Crane for $8 but that was "a long time ago") and Idel'chik used to be hard to find (mine says NTIS AEC-TR-6630). Look in used bookstores or online if you can't afford new editions.

The Crane book is worth reading cover to cover a few times if you need to do practical fluid flow problems.
 

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