How Does a Missing Component in the Feedback Loop Affect the Transfer Function?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of a missing component in a feedback loop on the transfer function in control theory. Participants explore the implications of not having a feedback element (H1) in the loop and how it affects the calculation of the closed-loop transfer function.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the absence of H1 in the feedback loop simplifies the transfer function to C/R = Gcs x Gps.
  • Another participant agrees that H1 can be left out but suggests that Gcs and Gps should be in the denominator, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the feedback loop structure.
  • A participant expresses frustration over their lack of recall regarding control theory, indicating a personal struggle with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the correct formulation of the transfer function in the absence of H1, as participants present differing views on how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not clarify the definitions of Gcs and Gps or the specific context of the feedback loop, which may affect the interpretation of their claims.

Femme_physics
Gold Member
Messages
2,548
Reaction score
1
I'm confused by the fact there's nothing in the feedback loop here

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6075/feedbackloop.jpg


For instance, if I had "H1" in the feedback loop I'd do

C/R = (Gcs x Gps) / (1+H1)

But since I don't have H1... is it simply

C/R = (Gcs x Gps) / 1 = Gcs x Gps

?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
You have 1 loop.
And yes, you don't have H1 in the returning part of the loop, so you can simply leave that out.
But you still have Gcs and Gps in the forward part of the loop.
Shouldn't you put those in the denominator?
 
I seem to have completely forgot control theory. Allow me to slap myself twice in the face silly and strap myself to the chair with old materials.

Sorry to have bothered you for trifles, sensei :)
 
Femme_physics said:
I seem to have completely forgot control theory. Allow me to slap myself twice in the face silly and strap myself to the chair with old materials.

Sorry to have bothered you for trifles, sensei :)

Trifles are better than nothing. ;)

Can I slap you a couple of times too as long as you are strapped to a chair anyway?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
7K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
Replies
8
Views
5K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
6K
Replies
3
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
16K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
26K