How Does a Particle Reach Infinity in Finite Time with Angular Force?

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The problem involves a particle experiencing an angular force described by the equation F_{\theta} = 3m\dot{r}\dot{\theta}. The objective is to demonstrate that the radial velocity \dot{r} can be expressed as \dot{r}=\pm\sqrt{Ar^{4}+B}, where A and B are constants determined by initial conditions. Additionally, it is required to show that if the particle starts with a non-zero angular velocity and a positive radial velocity, it can reach an infinite radius in a finite time.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the expression for dt in relation to dr and explore bounding techniques to demonstrate that time remains finite as the radius approaches infinity.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the integration, suggesting bounding techniques to simplify the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the derived expressions and their integration.

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Participants are considering the complexity of the integral involved and are discussing the implications of the initial conditions on the constants A and B. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the assumptions regarding the signs of the velocities are clear.

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Homework Statement


Consider a particle that feels an angular force only, of the form F[tex]_{\theta}[/tex] = 3m[tex]\dot{r}[/tex][tex]\dot{\theta}[/tex]. Show [tex]\dot{r}[/tex]=[tex]\pm[/tex][tex]\sqrt{Ar^{4}+B}[/tex], where A and B are constants of integration, determined by the initial conditions. Also, show that if the particle starts with [tex]\dot{\theta}[/tex][tex]\neq[/tex]0 and [tex]\dot{r}[/tex]>0, it reaches r=[tex]\infty[/tex] in a finite time.


Homework Equations


F[tex]_{r}[/tex]=m([tex]\ddot{r}[/tex]-r[tex]\dot^{\theta}[/tex]^2)=0
F[tex]_{\theta}[/tex]=m(r[tex]\ddot{\theta}[/tex]+2[tex]\dot{r}[/tex][tex]\dot{\theta}[/tex])

The Attempt at a Solution


I've already shown that [tex]\dot{r}[/tex]=[tex]\pm[/tex][tex]\sqrt{Ar^{4}+B}[/tex]. What I need to do now is show that it reaches r=[tex]\infty[/tex] in a finite time. I'm not sure what I need to do here... any thoughts?
 
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Ertosthnes said:
I've already shown that [tex]\dot{r}[/tex]=[tex]\pm[/tex][tex]\sqrt{Ar^{4}+B}[/tex]. What I need to do now is show that it reaches r=[tex]\infty[/tex] in a finite time. I'm not sure what I need to do here... any thoughts?

Hi Ertosthnes! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and a square-root: √ and an infinity: ∞ :smile:)

(ooh … and use dashes rather than dots on this forum … they're easier to read!)

You need to solve dr/√(Ar4 + B) = dt. :wink:

(or you could "sandwich" it between two integrals that are easier)
 
Thanks Tim! Okay, obviously the integral as is would be pretty tough to solve. Could I say that dt = dr/√(Ar^4 + B) [tex]\leq[/tex] dr/(Ar^2), and then integrate to show that t<infinity?
 
Ertosthnes said:
Thanks Tim! Okay, obviously the integral as is would be pretty tough to solve. Could I say that dt = dr/√(Ar^4 + B) ≤ dr/(Ar^2), and then integrate to show that t<infinity?

Hi Ertosthnes! :smile:

(you could have used the ≤ a also :wink:)

… and it's always positive, so … yes, that's fine! :smile:
 

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