How does air pressure affect pitch?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between air pressure and pitch, particularly in the context of sound propagation and the effects of different gases, such as helium. Participants explore how atmospheric conditions might influence the characteristics of sound, including frequency and energy absorption.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the role of air density in sound propagation and its effect on pitch, particularly in relation to energy absorption and the behavior of vocal cords. There is also discussion about how the medium affects sound travel and the implications for perceived pitch.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the mechanics of sound in different media and the relationship between energy and frequency. Some guidance is offered regarding the effects of humidity and resonance, but no consensus has been reached.

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There are references to specific conditions such as humidity and the properties of helium, as well as assumptions about sound travel distances that are being examined. Participants are navigating complex concepts without a definitive resolution.

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I thought that only the length that the sound travels affects the pitch. However, in low pressures/breathing helium the distance traveled by the gas is the same so how is pitch affected?


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this is what i found from another post "That's true, but the atmospheric pressure has as much to do with propagation of the sound as the pitch. The frequency is primarily determined by the length of the vocal chords; the longer they are, the lower the frequency. Thinner air, though, absorbs the energy of the sound before it can go very far.
That's the reason that people sound so 'duckish' after inhaling helium. The change of ambient gas density effectively (but not physically) shortens the chords. That is because the initial vibrations are attenuated according to the density of the medium that they are propagating through."

I don't understand how thin air can absorb more energy than normal air and how does decreasing the energy decreases the pitch shouldn't it only decrease the loudness since there is less energy?

Thanks for the help!
 
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sgstudent said:
I don't understand how thin air can absorb more energy than normal air
Well, in thin air, the sound will travel less far. And the energy must go somewhere, so what must we conclude?

sgstudent said:
and how does decreasing the energy decreases the pitch shouldn't it only decrease the loudness since there is less energy?

Thanks for the help!
I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean decreasing the energy of vibrations which caused the sound? Think about the simple case of an oscillating string. How is the energy of a particular harmonic related to the frequency?
 
BruceW said:
Well, in thin air, the sound will travel less far. And the energy must go somewhere, so what must we conclude?


I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean decreasing the energy of vibrations which caused the sound? Think about the simple case of an oscillating string. How is the energy of a particular harmonic related to the frequency?

Hi why would sound travel less far in thin air? Since when we take a breathe and speak, the air that vibrates starts from the lungs to mouth has traveled the same distance. So how should the pitch change?
 
BruceW said:
Well, in thin air, the sound will travel less far. And the energy must go somewhere, so what must we conclude?
As I understand it, attenuation of sound in air is chiefly a function of humidity. For a given humidity, density has not much to do with it. The attenuation that results varies according to frequency, so it will change the pitch. See e.g. http://www.kayelaby.npl.co.uk/general_physics/2_4/2_4_1.html
Helium does not, strictly speaking, change the pitch of the voice. It alters the resonant frequencies within the mouth and throat, so changes the power distribution amongst the harmonics. Google "helium pitch".
 
What haruspex said.

If your vocal chords vibrate at 500Hz then 500Hz is what reaches your ears regardless of the density or speed of sound of the air/helium.
 

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