How Does Calculus Help Solve Patterns?

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter lenfromkits
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Calculus
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of calculus, specifically linear approximation and Taylor expansion, to demonstrate the validity of a mathematical pattern involving the square root function. Participants explore various methods to approximate \(\sqrt{n+1}\) when \(n\) is much smaller than 1, focusing on theoretical and practical aspects of calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to show that \(\sqrt{n+1} \approx \frac{n}{2} + 1\) when \(n << 1\), providing an example for clarification.
  • Another participant suggests using a Taylor expansion around 0 for \(\sqrt{x+1}\) to derive the approximation.
  • A different participant presents the linear approximation formula and applies it to \(\sqrt{n+1}\), showing that \(L(n) \approx \frac{n}{2} + 1\) when evaluated at \(n_0 = 0\).
  • One participant explains that linear approximation involves using the slope of the function at a point to create a tangent line that approximates the function.
  • Another participant proposes a simpler approximation, stating that \(\sqrt{n+1} \approx n + \frac{1}{2}\) under the same condition of \(n << 1\).
  • One suggestion includes applying the Binomial Theorem, noting that higher-order terms become negligible in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple methods and perspectives for approximating \(\sqrt{n+1}\), indicating that there is no consensus on a single approach. Various techniques are discussed, and while some participants express understanding of the methods, others seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the derivations and the underlying assumptions of the methods discussed, particularly regarding the conditions under which the approximations hold true.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in calculus, mathematical approximations, and their applications in problem-solving, particularly in contexts where small values are involved.

lenfromkits
Messages
106
Reaction score
0
I need to show that this pattern is true.

[itex]\sqrt{n+1} \approx \frac{n}{2} + 1 \ \ when \ n << 1[/itex]

the smaller 'n' is, the more this is true.

(i.e. for example, [itex]\sqrt{1.0000000000001234} \approx \frac{.0000000000001234}{2} + 1[/itex] )

Can anyone help?

(this is not a homework assignment. I need it for work)

Thanks.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
You can do a Taylor expand around 0 of [itex]\sqrt{x+1}[/itex]

It is:
[tex]\sqrt{x+1}=1+x\left[\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x+1}}\right]_{x=0}+...[/tex]
 
The linear approximation of [itex]f(n)[/itex] about [itex]n_0[/itex] is given by:

[tex]L(n)=f'(n_0)(n-n_0)+f(n_0) \approx f(n)[/tex]If [itex]f(n)=\sqrt{n+1}[/itex], then the linear approximation of f(n) around 0 is:

[tex]L(n)~=~f'(0)(n-0)+f(0)~ =~ \frac{1}{2\sqrt{0+1}}(n-0)+\sqrt{0+1}~ =~ \frac{n}{2}+1[/tex]
 
Thanks! I can see that you have solved my problem. Now I just need to understand 90% more than I understand now :)

Can I please ask where this comes from:

[tex]L(n)=f'(n_0)(n-n_0)+f(n_0) \approx f(n)[/tex]

Thanks,
Len


elfmotat said:
The linear approximation of [itex]f(n)[/itex] about [itex]n_0[/itex] is given by:

[tex]L(n)=f'(n_0)(n-n_0)+f(n_0) \approx f(n)[/tex]


If [itex]f(n)=\sqrt{n+1}[/itex], then the linear approximation of f(n) around 0 is:

[tex]L(n)~=~f'(0)(n-0)+f(0)~ =~ \frac{1}{2\sqrt{0+1}}(n-0)+\sqrt{0+1}~ =~ \frac{n}{2}+1[/tex]
 
It's called linear approximation. Approximate your function with a line whose slope is the same as the original function's slope at x=0.
You find this slope from the derivative.
 
Even simpler, since

[tex]n + 1 \approx n + 1 + \frac {n^2} {4} = (n+\frac{1}{2})^2[/tex]

if n<<1


[tex]\sqrt {n+1} \approx n + \frac{1}{2}[/tex]
 
lenfromkits said:
Thanks! I can see that you have solved my problem. Now I just need to understand 90% more than I understand now :)

Can I please ask where this comes from:

[tex]L(n)=f'(n_0)(n-n_0)+f(n_0) \approx f(n)[/tex]

Thanks,
Len

You use a tangent line to approximate the function at [itex]n_0[/itex]. The equation of the tangent line is obviously given by [itex]y=f'(x_0)(x-x_0)+f(x_0)[/itex].

http://www.function-grapher.com/graphs/fc544b3a572de466f056ae4620193c3f.png
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
1K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 31 ·
2
Replies
31
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
951