How does Chemosynthetic bacteria obtain energy?

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The discussion centers on how chemosynthetic bacteria obtain energy through the oxidation of inorganic substances, specifically addressing the role of ATP in this process and the underlying biochemical mechanisms involved.

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  • Some participants propose that ATP is not an energy source but an intermediate molecule that carries energy, with chemosynthetic bacteria oxidizing inorganic substances to generate ATP.
  • One participant provides an analogy comparing ATP to paper money, suggesting that just as goods are traded for money, cells convert various food molecules into ATP for cellular processes.
  • Another participant questions how oxidizing inorganic substances can produce energy, indicating a need for clarification on this process.
  • A later reply asserts that while the general statement about oxidation producing energy may not be true, specific inorganic substances used by these bacteria do release energy upon oxidation due to their reduction potentials.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of energy production from the oxidation of inorganic substances, with some clarifying the role of ATP while others question the energy release mechanism, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about energy production and the specific conditions under which oxidation occurs, as well as the definitions of terms like "energy source" and "intermediate molecule." These aspects are not fully explored in the discussion.

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We all know ATP is responsible for providing energy.But in case of chemosynthetic bacteria they oxidize various inorganic substances such as nitrates,ammonia and use the released energy for ATP production.shouldn't it be the other way round ? I mean ATP should help in producing energy not the energy production should lead to ATP production.
 
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ATP is not an energy source, but an intermediate molecule that carries energy in the short term. For example, humans ultimately get their energy from the foods they eat. The body burns (i.e. oxidizes) these fuels in order to generate ATP, which then goes on to power various processes within the cell. Similarly, chemosynthetic bacteria oxidize inorganic substances and harness that energy to generate ATP.

As an analogy, people generally liken ATP to paper money and call ATP the energy "currency" of the cell. You ultimately earn money by producing material goods (i.e. by making a useful product like a chair or an app). You can then trade these goods for money, which can then be used as to pay for a number of other goods and services (whereas you normally would not be able to pay for your lunch with a chair). Similarly, cells "trade" the various food molecules (e.g. cabohydrates, fats, amino acids) into ATP molecules, and can use these ATP molecules to power a number of other cellular processes (so that these enzymes don't need to handle many different types of food molecules).
 
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Ygggdrasil said:
ATP is not an energy source, but an intermediate molecule that carries energy in the short term. For example, humans ultimately get their energy from the foods they eat. The body burns (i.e. oxidizes) these fuels in order to generate ATP, which then goes on to power various processes within the cell. Similarly, chemosynthetic bacteria oxidize inorganic substances and harness that energy to generate ATP.

As an analogy, people generally liken ATP to paper money and call ATP the energy "currency" of the cell. You ultimately earn money by producing material goods (i.e. by making a useful product like a chair or an app). You can then trade these goods for money, which can then be used as to pay for a number of other goods and services (whereas you normally would not be able to pay for your lunch with a chair). Similarly, cells "trade" the various food molecules (e.g. cabohydrates, fats, amino acids) into ATP molecules, and can use these ATP molecules to power a number of other cellular processes (so that these enzymes don't need to handle many different types of food molecules).
Beautiful example ! Thank you !
 
Ygggdrasil said:
Similarly, chemosynthetic bacteria oxidize inorganic substances and harness that energy to generate ATP.
Just one question.How do you say that oxidizing inorganic substances can produce energy ?
 
Docscientist said:
Just one question.How do you say that oxidizing inorganic substances can produce energy ?
In general, this statement is not true, but for the inorganic substances that these bacteria use as energy sources (hydrogen sulfide, ammonia, hydrogen, etc.), the oxidation of these compounds produces energy. It all has to do with the reduction potentials of the compounds involved. If the species gaining electrons has a higher reduction potential than the species losing electrons, the reaction will occur spontaneously its free energy can be used to power other processes.
 

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