How does combining spin result in the total spin angular momentum number?

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The discussion revolves around the combination of spin angular momentum in quantum mechanics, specifically how individual spins combine to form total spin angular momentum, S. Participants explore the mathematical framework, the implications for different particle states, and the conceptual understanding of singlet and triplet states, as well as the addition of spins for systems with multiple particles.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about how to derive the total spin S from individual spins, questioning the relationship between the singlet state (S=0) and the triplet state (S=1) in terms of their configurations.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical approach to calculating S^2 and discusses the eigenstates of the total spin operator, suggesting that the eigenvalue S can be computed for each state.
  • A participant attempts to clarify the triplet state by defining the spin state and calculating S^2, but later acknowledges a mistake in their calculations.
  • Some participants clarify that the singlet state consists of two spins pointing in opposite directions, resulting in a total spin of 0, while the triplet state consists of two spins aligned, resulting in a total spin of 1 with three possible z-components (m = -1, 0, 1).
  • There is a discussion about the total spin of a system with three quarks, where one participant notes that if all spins align, the total spin can be 3/2, leading to four possible m states.
  • One participant suggests that visualizing spin states as vectors may aid in understanding the addition of spins, especially for more than two particles.
  • Another participant raises a question about extending the identity for the dot product of spins to N particles, indicating a desire for a more general understanding of the concept.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the interpretation of spin states and the mathematical treatment of spin addition. While some clarify the definitions of singlet and triplet states, others express confusion about the calculations and implications for systems with multiple particles. The discussion remains unresolved on certain mathematical aspects and conceptual interpretations.

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Participants reference specific mathematical identities and calculations, but some steps and assumptions are not fully detailed, leading to potential gaps in understanding. The discussion also highlights the complexity of visualizing spin states in multi-particle systems.

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I was wondering if someone could help me to understand how you combine spin to form the total spin angular momentum number, S. Here's a selection from my notes:

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Now as I understand it, S = (s_1 + s_2), (s_1 + s_2 - 1), ... |s_1 - s_2|. However, I don't really see how that leads to the conclusion that the singlet state above has S=0 and the triplet state has S=3.

And even if I can find a way to rationalise it for the 2 quark case, I don't have a clue what's going on when you add the third quark to S=0. I mean, I get that the spin of a quark is 1/2 so adding it to S=0 gives you S=3/2, but I don't see how S=1/2 corresponds to the states:

\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left(\uparrow \downarrow \uparrow - \downarrow \uparrow \uparrow \right) and \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left(\uparrow \downarrow \downarrow - \downarrow \uparrow \downarrow \right)

Could someone kindly explain this to me?
 
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Recall that S^2 and S_z commute, and these sorts of states are eigenstates of those operators.

Define the total spin operator S = S_1 + S_2. Then you want to calculate the value of S^2:
S^2 = S_1^2 + S_2^2 + 2 S_1 \cdot S_2

Then compute the action of S^2 in each state, recalling for an eigenstate that
S^2 |Sm\rangle = s(s+1) |Sm\rangle

Don't forget the identity
S_1 \cdot S_2 = S_1^z S_2^z + \frac12(S_1^+ S_2^- + S_1^- S_2^+)

You should be able to compute the eigenvalue S for each state and get the result you've posted.
 
Thank you for your reply. I'm afraid I'm having some problems with the maths. Let's take the triplet ^^.

Define the spin state, \chi = \uparrow_1 \uparrow_2.

S^2 \chi = S_1^2 \chi + S_2^2 \chi + 2 S_1 \cdot S_2 \chi

S_1^2 \chi = S_2^2 \chi = \frac{3}{4} \hbar^2 \chi

S_{1z} S_{2z} \chi = \frac{1}{2} \cdot \frac{1}{2} \hbar^2 \chi

S^\pm = \hbar \sqrt{s(s+1)-m(m \pm 1)} = \hbar \sqrt{\frac{3}{4} - \frac{1}{4} \mp m}

because we're dealing with spin half particles that have values of m = \pm \frac{1}{2} . Hence,

S^2 \chi = \frac{3}{2} \hbar^2 \chi + \frac{1}{2} \hbar^2 \chi + \hbar^2 \left(\frac{3}{4} - \frac{3}{4} \right)\left(\frac{3}{4}\right) \chi + \hbar^2 \left(\frac{3}{4} \right)\left(\frac{3}{4}- \frac{3}{4} \right) \chi

Therefore

S^2 \left(\uparrow_1 \uparrow_2 \right) = 2 \hbar^2 \chi.

Edit: Realised my mistake. Woops.
 
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My recollection was that singlet state is a 1/2 one way and the other 1/2 the opposite way (essentially a spin 0 particle). Total z component of the spin, m, can then only be 0.

The triplet state is 1/2 plus 1/2, for a total spin is 1 and its m can be -1, 0, 1. A particle with spin=1 (by itself) also uses the triple (m=-1,0,1) form. The key note here is that S=1 not 3, the triplet refers to the number of possible z configurations.

A particle with net spin 1/2, such as a quark or proton (where the spin goes 1/2 for first quark (doublet state), to 0 for first + second quark (either singlet or triplet as described above), and finally 1/2 (doublet) again for all quarks), only has 2 allowed m states, +1/2 and -1/2. If the 3 quarks of the proton all line up its a called a delta. The delta's total S is 3/2, so it can have 4 m states, +3/2,+1/2, -1/2, -3/2.

Its a lot easier if you think of it in pictures, then do the math.
 
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My recollection was that singlet state is a 1/2 one way and the other 1/2 the opposite way (essentially a spin 0 particle). Total z component of the spin, m, can then only be 0.

The triplet state is 1/2 plus 1/2, for a total spin is 1 and its m can be -1, 0, 1. A particle with spin=1 (by itself) also uses the triple (m=-1,0,1) form. The key note here is that S=1 not 3, the triplet refers to the number of possible z configurations.

A particle with net spin 1/2, such as a quark or proton (where the spin goes 1/2 for first quark (doublet state), to 0 for first + second quark (either singlet or triplet as described above), and finally 1/2 (doublet) again for all quarks), only has 2 allowed m states, +1/2 and -1/2. If the 3 quarks of the proton all line up its a called a delta. The delta's total S is 3/2, so it can have 4 m states, +3/2,+1/2, -1/2, -3/2.

Its a lot easier if you think of it in pictures, then do the math.

Thanks for the reply. I realized I made a really stupid mistake in my maths which I fixed and then it all came out. :rolleyes:

With regards to picturing it, I can see why that's useful for a singlet/triplet state when you're dealing with 2 particles. But I don't think I could intuitively look at a state udu - duu and say immediately that it corresponds to S, M_s of +1/2, +1/2.

Out of interest, how do you extend the following identity to N particles?

S_1 \cdot S_2 = S_1^z S_2^z + \frac12(S_1^+ S_2^- + S_1^- S_2^+)
 
Its easier to think of visually because these are all vectors, and what you want at the end is just the sum of the vectors (in whatever orientation they line up in).

d= -u , so u+d=0 (that's all in made up vector notation)

its just like saying I walk across the room and back. Then when you add the third particle, its the whole vector (in the case of protons and neutrons).

For the case of N, s=1/2, l=0 objects, I believe the solution is basically derived the same as the N=2 case

(S1+ S2+ S3 +...)2 = S12 + S22 + S32 + 2*S1\dotS2 + ...

In the udu case one S1 and S2 cancel, leaving just S3, a spin 1/2 object, that can have m=+1/2 or m=-1/2

Check out any modern textbooks laying around (or nuclear), they will have the pictures that make it clearer than I can type. But basically the only quantum stipulation is the size of the vectors and the quantization in z (or whatever you eigenvalue you are using). After that its just regular vector addition. Same when you do J=L+S.
 

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