How Does Current Flow Through a 9V Battery in Different Circuit Configurations?

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The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving two batteries and three resistors, specifically focusing on the current flowing through a 9.0 V battery in both open and closed switch configurations. The participants are exploring the application of Kirchhoff's Loop Rule and the implications of different resistor arrangements.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants attempt to calculate the current for both open and closed circuits using voltage and resistance values. Questions arise regarding the configuration of resistors and the influence of multiple voltage sources on the calculations.

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Some participants have reported success in determining the current for the open circuit, while others continue to struggle with the closed circuit calculations. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the arrangement of resistors and the application of Kirchhoff's rules, indicating an ongoing exploration of the problem.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information shared. There is also a noted confusion about the arrangement of resistors and the role of the additional voltage source in the circuit analysis.

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Homework Statement


Two batteries and three resistors are connected as shown in the figure. How much current flows through the 9.0 V battery?

(a) When the switch is closed?
(b) When the switch is open?


Homework Equations



Kirchhoff's Loop Rule
I=V/R



The Attempt at a Solution



To find the current when the circuit is open, I totally disregarded the 5 ohm resistor and found the equivalent resistors of 2 and 4 and got 6. Then I used the equation I=9V/6 and that didn't work.

For the current when the circuit is closed, I applied Kirchhoff's Loop rule and found the current for each loop then solved by adding the two. That didn't work so I redrew the diagram and placed the 5 ohm resistor between the 2 and 4 ohm resistor and tried to figure out the current of that loop, but it also didn't work.

Additionally, does the 6 V battery in the drawing have anything to do with achieving the correct answer?

Thank you very much.
 

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I was able to figure out the current for the open circuit, and it turned out to be 0.5 A. However, I'm still having trouble getting the answer for the closed circuit.
 
deenuh20 said:
I was able to figure out the current for the open circuit, and it turned out to be 0.5 A. However, I'm still having trouble getting the answer for the closed circuit.

Show your work in order to get help.
 
For the open circuit, I found it to by 0.5A by taking the voltage/resistance, which was 6/(2+4)=1 A. Then, because the 2 ohm and 4 ohm resistors are parallel to each other, I divided 1 A by 2 and got 0.5A as my answer for the open circuit.

For the closed circuit, I applied Kirchhoff's rule. Because there was a junction right above the 9V, I found the current of the left square, which was 6V/(4ohm+2ohm)=1 A. Then, for the right square, I found the current of that loop to be 6V/(4 ohm + 5 ohm)=0.6667 A.

Then, because of Kirchhoff's junction rule, I1-I2-I3=0, so, I did 1-0.6667-I3=0 and solved for I3, which turned out to be 0.3333 A. I got this answer as the current going through the 9V battery in the closed circuit, but it is not working.
 
deenuh20 said:
For the open circuit, I found it to by 0.5A by taking the voltage/resistance, which was 6/(2+4)=1 A. Then, because the 2 ohm and 4 ohm resistors are parallel to each other, I divided 1 A by 2 and got 0.5A as my answer for the open circuit.
You got the right answer with a faulty reasoning. The 2 ohm and 4 ohm are in series and not in parallel.
When applying KVL to the loop you must take into account both voltage sources and add them algebrically.
For the closed circuit, I applied Kirchhoff's rule. Because there was a junction right above the 9V, I found the current of the left square, which was 6V/(4ohm+2ohm)=1 A. Then, for the right square, I found the current of that loop to be 6V/(4 ohm + 5 ohm)=0.6667 A.

Then, because of Kirchhoff's junction rule, I1-I2-I3=0, so, I did 1-0.6667-I3=0 and solved for I3, which turned out to be 0.3333 A. I got this answer as the current going through the 9V battery in the closed circuit, but it is not working.

Again, your reasoning is faulty. You must take into account both voltage sources and remember that the 4 ohm resistor belongs to both loops, so there are two currents traversing it.
 

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