How Does Dark Energy Influence the Expansion of Our Universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the influence of dark energy on the expansion of the universe, exploring concepts related to spacetime, curvature, and the nature of expansion. Participants examine whether dark energy pushes matter apart or creates new spacetime fabric, and how these ideas relate to the cosmological constant and gravitational effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that dark energy contributes to the expansion by "making more space between matter," while others clarify that it does not create new spacetime fabric but rather influences the existing spacetime curvature.
  • A participant notes that the simplest interpretation of accelerated expansion involves a constant negative spacetime curvature (cosmological constant, \Lambda) dominating over time, leading to an increase in its fractional part of critical energy density.
  • There is a contention regarding whether matter behaves like it does in gravitational fields during expansion, with some asserting that matter should not exceed the speed of light and should experience time dilation.
  • Others argue that the popular science depiction of matter being almost stationary while new space is created between galaxies is misleading, asserting that the distance between galaxies increases without the creation of new space.
  • One participant emphasizes that the terminology surrounding "space" can lead to misconceptions, stating that while distances grow, no new space is created; the existing space is simply expanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of dark energy and its effects on spacetime and expansion. There is no consensus on whether new spacetime fabric is created or how to interpret the effects of curvature on matter.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the relationship between energy density, pressure, and expansion, and note that various theories exist regarding the origins of cosmic expansion, such as inflation, which are not universally accepted within the LCDM cosmological model.

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In popular science around 70% of the total energy in the universe is dark energy. I’m a little bit confused regarding what this energy does. Does it influence all matter with a pushing force to make the expansion of the universe accelerate or does it create new space time fabric?

I guess that it must be the latter because otherwise the energy will be restricted to pushing the galaxies apart from each other no faster than the speed of light.

If new space time fabric is created by this energy how do you calculate how much energy is needed? Do we know how to create new space time fabric and how much energy is needed?
 
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It increases the expansion, so it contributes to "making more space between matter".
Not more spacetime, because spacetime is the whole thing that contains all time-dependence in it already.
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If new space time fabric is created by this energy how do you calculate how much energy is needed? Do we know how to create new space time fabric and how much energy is needed?
There is no energy value in Joule you could assign to this, and I don't see how you could explain that without going into details of general relativity. Both energy density and pressure influence the expansion of the universe, and the right relation between both give a contribution that accelerates expansion.
 
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The simplest interpretation of the accelerated expansion is that there is a small, constant negative spacetime curvature (a.k.a. the cosmological constant, [itex]\Lambda[/itex]) that was present since the end of inflation. Normal matter and energy cause positive spacetime curvature, which has been overwhelming the cosmological constant for the first half of expansion history. Presently [itex]\Lambda[/itex]-curvature dominates, resulting in overall negative spacetime curvature. This causes accelerating expansion.

Just like the positive spacetime curvature caused by matter and radiation can be converted into an energy density, [itex]\Lambda[/itex] can be converted into an equivalent energy density. That's why it is usually given as a fractional part of critical energy density, i.e. [itex]\Omega_\Lambda \approx 0.7\Omega[/itex]. Critical energy density is reduced by expansion while [itex]\Lambda[/itex]-density remains constant, hence the fraction [itex]\Omega_\Lambda[/itex] increases over time.

PS: observation still favors a constant [itex]\Lambda[/itex], but it is possible that it is changing very slowly.
 
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I don't follow this. If the expansion was due to the curvatures in space time the matter should behave like it does in gravitational fields? That is, never exceed the speed of light, experience time dilation and so forth.
What I've heard in popular science is that the matter is almost stationary and that new space is created between the galaxies which makes them further and further apart from each other. Is that an incorrect picture?
 
FredrikJ said:
I don't follow this. If the expansion was due to the curvatures in space time the matter should behave like it does in gravitational fields? That is, never exceed the speed of light, experience time dilation and so forth.
That's correct. It doesn't
What I've heard in popular science is that the matter is almost stationary and that new space is created between the galaxies which makes them further and further apart from each other. Is that an incorrect picture?
That's the correct picture. There is no proper motion involved, things just get farther apart. The RECESSION velocity, which is not constrained, is about 3c for objects at the edge of our Observable Universe.
 
FredrikJ said:
If the expansion was due to the curvatures in space time the matter should behave like it does in gravitational fields?
The large scale gravitational potential is approximately homogeneous, i.e. we do not consider the localized potential wells caused by mass concentrations. Large scale positive spacetime curvature result in decelerating expansion and negative spacetime curvature in accelerating expansion. It does not tell us what originally have caused cosmic expansion. There are various theories for that, e.g inflation, but it is generally not considered as part of the LCDM cosmological model.
 
FredrikJ said:
I don't follow this. If the expansion was due to the curvatures in space time the matter should behave like it does in gravitational fields? That is, never exceed the speed of light, experience time dilation and so forth.
What I've heard in popular science is that the matter is almost stationary and that new space is created between the galaxies which makes them further and further apart from each other. Is that an incorrect picture?
And just to add one more clarification, NOTHING ever "experiences" time dilation. That's something that is seen by observers who are not at rest in the frame of an object or who are at a different gravitational potential.
 
FredrikJ said:
What I've heard in popular science is that the matter is almost stationary and that new space is created between the galaxies which makes them further and further apart from each other. Is that an incorrect picture?

Because of the terminology that is often used, its often interpreted that 'space' is some physical thing that expands with the universe, or that 'new' space is created with expansion. That is not strictly true. Things do move further apart, as in the distance grows between them, but no new space is created between them. That 'space' already existed.
 

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