How Does Hail Impact Force Compare to Rain Despite Similar Mass and Size?

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The discussion revolves around comparing the impact force of hail to that of rain, despite both having similar mass and size. The original poster presents a scenario involving raindrops and hailstones impacting a roof, questioning how their forces compare based on momentum principles.

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  • The original poster attempts to reason that the forces would be the same due to equal mass and size, but questions arise regarding the velocity and momentum differences between raindrops and hailstones. Some participants introduce the idea that hailstones, being harder and capable of bouncing, may contribute differently to the total momentum and force.

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Participants are exploring the implications of momentum in the context of the problem. There is a suggestion that the total momentum from hailstones could be greater due to their bouncing behavior, leading to a potential conclusion that the force from hail may be significantly higher than that from rain. However, the discussion does not reach a definitive consensus on the exact comparison.

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There is an acknowledgment that the original problem does not provide specific information about the velocities of the raindrops and hailstones, which may affect the analysis. Additionally, the original poster is working within the constraints of a homework assignment that requires careful consideration of the physics involved.

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"Think of a rainstorm. Each raindrop hits your roof, exerting a certain amount of force for a short time until it comes to a stop. Now think of a hailstorm instead. All of the raindrops are now hard little ice pellets of the same size and mass. Using common sense and what you know about momentum, how would the total force of the hailstorm striking the roof of your house compare to the equivalent rainstorm."


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I was POSITIVE that the force would be the same, since both the size and mass are the same and it seems like it's assumed that velocity is the same as well. However, that was the incorrect answer.
Momentum = mv
I'm not sure if it's even possible to find out the velocity of each particle, as it doesn't give any information on how they're different in velocity, only that they're the same mass and size- therefore the same drag constant and weight.
 
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Actually hailstones are larger than raindrops: they accumulate as they freeze, and can become quite large! We get hail frequently enough where I live: it comes with violent thunderstorms.

For your actual problem as given note that the raindrops hit the roof, and then slide off - each one contributes momentum p = mv; so the total momentum over a short time is Np, where there were N raindrops.

For the little hailstones they hit the roof, then bounce off ... they are hard objects. Due to the bounce you get double the momentum, so you now have 2Np for the total momentum.

If you allow some of the momentum to be absorbed by the roof tiles or fracturing of the hailstone, then it will be some number greater than 1 (because they do bounce) but less than 2 (due to loss of momentum upon impact).

The total force is approximately the total momentum divided by the "short amount of time".
 
So the answers I have to choose from are:

a. The force from the hailstorm and the rainstorm would be almost the same. Incorrect
b. The force of the hailstorm would be close to twice that of the rainstorm.
c. The force of the hailstorm would be close to four times times that of the rainstorm.
d. The force of the rainstorm would be close to twice that of the hailstorm.
e. The force of the rainstorm would be close to four times that of the hailstorm.

Would the force of the hailstorm be close to twice that of the rainstorm in that case?
 
Yes.
 
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