How Does Kirchoff's Law Relate to Spectrum Intensity and Wavelength?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Kirchhoff's Law and the characteristics of spectrum intensity and wavelength, particularly in the context of astrophysics and spectroscopy. Participants explore concepts related to emission and absorption spectra, the effects of scattering on photon energy, and the implications for identifying elements through spectral analysis.

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  • Some participants note that the energy loss of electrons in a substance results in the emission of photons, which is unique to each atom, allowing for element identification through spectral analysis.
  • Others mention that in certain media, photons experience significant scattering, which reduces their energy and smooths out the spectrum.
  • A participant describes the appearance of a spectrum, indicating that spikes represent emission or absorption lines, with the continuous spectrum providing background information.
  • One participant refers to a source that produces a continuous spectrum, suggesting that while it may be mostly black body radiation, additional absorption and emission spectra are always present.
  • There are mentions of amateur spectroscopy contributing to scientific research, with examples of studies involving Be stars and supernovae being conducted from home observatories.
  • Some participants express confusion about how the wavelength of an emission could change as it weakens, questioning the visibility of color changes over distance.
  • Inelastic scattering is brought up as a mechanism that could alter the energy of photons, potentially affecting their observed wavelength.

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Participants express a range of views on the relationship between Kirchhoff's Law and spectrum characteristics, with some points of agreement on the nature of spectra and the role of amateur contributions to science. However, there remains uncertainty and disagreement regarding the effects of scattering on wavelength and the implications for spectral analysis.

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Some statements may be oversimplified, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the effects of scattering and the interpretation of spectral data. The dependence on specific conditions and definitions is acknowledged but not fully explored.

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Individuals interested in astrophysics, spectroscopy, and the contributions of amateur astronomers to scientific research may find this discussion relevant.

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In the book Foundations of Astrophysics (R&P) chapter 5, section 5.2.
It states: "A solid, liquid or dense gas produces a continuous spectrum".
What is the author meaning by that, I literally just read in section 5.1, that the depending on the energy loss of the electrons that make up the substance, this energy will be released as photons. Since this is particular for each atom, it explained how we can tell which element is which.
So if the spectrum is Intensity vs Wavelength, how is it that the first statement is true.
 
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In those media the photons undergo lots of scattering which reduces their energy and as a result, tends to smooth out the spectrum.
 
A spectrum looks like a hump with a long tail. There will usually be little spikes. If the spikes are pointing up (more intense) they are emission. If the spikes are pointing down they are absorption. The hump itself is a continuous spectrum. The spikes tell you what elements or compounds are involved. Sometimes a computer will delete the background so it looks like a graph of just spikes.
Sometimes the signal from the spike is large enough that you cannot see any background or black body emission on the graph. It is still there if you zoom in.
 
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SebastianRM said:
Summary: In the book Foundations of Astrophysics (R&P) chapter 5, section 5.2.
It states: "A solid, liquid or dense gas produces a continuous spectrum".

So if the spectrum is Intensity vs Wavelength, how is it that the first statement is true.
That statement is oversimplified. Any source hot enough to be seen by virtue of its internally generated energy will be mostly black body but additional absorption and emission spectra from the outer parts will always be detectable.
I have a friend who does astrophotography and he has taken up spectroscopy. It's really not to hard for an amateur; you use a slit over the star of interest, followed by a diffraction grating. You get a pretty looking spectrum and the image data shows absorption lines and bands. All that's in his back garden.
 
sophiecentaur said:
That statement is oversimplified. Any source hot enough to be seen by virtue of its internally generated energy will be mostly black body but additional absorption and emission spectra from the outer parts will always be detectable.
I have a friend who does astrophotography and he has taken up spectroscopy. It's really not to hard for an amateur; you use a slit over the star of interest, followed by a diffraction grating. You get a pretty looking spectrum and the image data shows absorption lines and bands. All that's in his back garden.
They can do more than pretty spectra with amateur spectrocopists contributing to real science include studies of Be stars, classification of supernova, monitoring of symbiotic stars and much more all with back garden observatories .
Regards Andrew
 
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andrew s 1905 said:
They can do more than pretty spectra with amateur spectrocopists contributing to real science include studies of Be stars, classification of supernova, monitoring of symbiotic stars and much more all with back garden observatories .
Regards Andrew
Amateur astronomers have a vast potential for contributing to Space Science because there are so many different targets available, most of which cannot be observed by the expensive professional experiments.
Amateur naturalists have a similar potential for ground breaking observations.
 
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mathman said:
In those media the photons undergo lots of scattering which reduces their energy and as a result, tends to smooth out the spectrum.
I cannot understand how the wavelength of an emission could alter as it is weakened. We do not see colour change with distance.
 
tech99 said:
I cannot understand how the wavelength of an emission could alter as it is weakened. We do not see colour change with distance.
Inelastic scattering would take energy from or add it to photons (hot gas).
 
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