How does my brain locate my hand in space?

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The discussion revolves around how the brain locates the hand in space without visual or tactile feedback, focusing on the role of proprioception and neural signals in this process. Participants explore the mechanisms behind spatial awareness and the potential for technological interventions for those with proprioceptive dysfunction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that even without sight or touch, individuals can still sense the location of their hand, suggesting an internal mechanism at play.
  • There is a proposal that nerve signals from the hand are crucial for this spatial awareness, although the specific nature of these signals is questioned.
  • One participant explains that mechanosensors in muscle spindles provide information about muscle stretch, which the brain uses to determine the arm's position.
  • Another participant mentions the integration of proprioceptive information with inputs from the vestibular system to create a spatial representation of the body.
  • Proprioception is identified as a critical sense, with references to its importance and the severe impact of its loss on individuals.
  • Some participants express curiosity about the feasibility of reading nerve signals to track hand movement, suggesting potential technological solutions for those with proprioceptive issues.
  • There is a discussion about alternative methods, such as mechanical devices that provide feedback on limb position, as a means to assist individuals with proprioceptive dysfunction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the significance of proprioception in spatial awareness, but there are varying opinions on the specifics of how this information is processed and the potential for technological interventions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods for tracking hand movement in individuals with proprioceptive challenges.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the mechanisms of proprioception and the integration of sensory information depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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If I close my eyes (so as to remove my sense of sight) and spread my fingers so they do not touch (so as to remove sense of feeling) and then move my hand around, I still have a sense of where in space it is located. How is my brain figuring out the location of my hand under these conditions?
 
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AcidRainLiTE said:
If I close my eyes (so as to remove my sense of sight) and spread my fingers so they do not touch (so as to remove sense of feeling) and then move my hand around, I still have a sense of where in space it is located. How is my brain figuring out the location of my hand under these conditions?
From the nerve signals sent from the hand. You don't need sight to sense your body.
 
What are the nerve's being stimulated by?/What information are they transmitting? Are they transmitting information about how tense my various muscles are and then from that information my brain is calculating the orientation and extension of my arm and hence the location of my hand?
 
Yup, exactly, little mechanosensors in the muscle spindle measure how much your muscles have stretched and report it to the nervous system, increasing frequency of firing with intensity of muscle stretch.

By some feat of neural computation, your parietal lobes use this somatosensory information (along with other information from your different sensory systems, such as your vestibular system, which detects the motion of fluid in your brain and your head's orientation with respect to gravity) to put together a picture of your body's configuration in space. Of course, having seen 3D space with your eyes your whole life and having echo-located on sounds with your ears (assuming you have functioning eyes and ears), there's probably a lot of extra help from an informed imagination.
 
atyy said:
Yes, proprioception. It is the incredibly important sense that most don't realize they have or need. The few people who have completely lost their sense of proprioception have had their lives devastated. Oliver Sacks tells the story of one woman who lost it in his book "The Man Who Mistook His Wife For a Hat", in chapter 3, "The Disembodied Lady".

Due to Multiple Sclerosis, my Brother-in-Law has lost the proprioception in his feet. He can't tell where they are except by looking at them. He has to walk staring at his feet.
 
I wonder whether it is possible to read the signals from these nerves (by placing a electrode or something on your arm) and interpret them so as to be able to track your hand.
 
AcidRainLiTE said:
I wonder whether it is possible to read the signals from these nerves (by placing a electrode or something on your arm) and interpret them so as to be able to track your hand.
Do you mean for people who have dysfunctional proprioception? A less complicated and risky method could be to devise mechanical devices worn on the knees, elbows, shoulders and hips that apply pressure to different areas of the limb on the basis of how extended the joint is. Overtime perhaps patients will adapt to this; I've read a Sacks case wherein the patient could no longer balance. They improvised a small spirit level attached to his glasses so that he could tell if he was standing straight. After a lot of practice he could walk again and the action became automatic.
 

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