How Does Passenger Movement Affect Airplane Momentum?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of passenger movement on the momentum of an airplane, considering the airplane and passenger as a closed system. Participants explore the implications of internal forces and momentum conservation principles in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants question the direction of forces exerted by the passenger and how these forces relate to the pilot's momentum. There are discussions about visualizing the scenario through force diagrams and the implications of passenger movement on the overall momentum of the system.

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The discussion is active with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest that the momentum of the airplane decreases as the passenger moves forward, while others emphasize the conservation of total momentum in the system. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance on visualizing the forces involved has been offered.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a closed system assumption and are examining the internal forces at play during passenger movement. There is an ongoing exploration of how these forces affect the momentum of the airplane and its occupants.

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You are on an airplane that is moving forward through the air? As you get up to move forward through the cabin to the restroom , what happens to the forward momentum of the pilot? (assume the plane and the passenger make up a closed system)

a) it stays constant
b) it increases
c) it decreases
d) there is no change as all forces exerted by the passenger are internal
e) the internal forces caused by the passenger increase the momentum of the airplane

My reasoning: the answer is that it increases because there is a force being pushed on the pilot from the passenger moving forward therefore the momentum is larger
 
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But which way is that force being exerted on the pilot? Which way does the passenger push with his shoes to start his forward motion? How is the floor under the passenger connected to the pilot's seat?
 
Think about it, visualize it, whatever else it. Draw yourself a force diagram and look at what happens to the airplane.

EDIT: I hate when that happens. Berkeman and I posted at the same time :-p
 
The passenger pushes his feet down then pulls back to move forward therefore it should decrease right?
 
BigMann said:
The passenger pushes his feet down then pulls back to move forward therefore it should decrease right?
Correct. The plane + passengers system has a constant total momentum, so if a passenger pushes himself forward, increasing his momentum, that happens at the expense of the momentum of the rest of the system.
 

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