How Does Rosetta Maintain Orbit Around a Low-Gravity Comet?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of Rosetta's orbit around the low-gravity comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko. Participants explore the implications of the comet's low gravitational force on the orbital dynamics of the spacecraft, including questions about orbital speed, stability, and the challenges of achieving a stationary position relative to the comet.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether Rosetta orbits the comet slowly due to its low gravitational pull, suggesting that the escape velocity is very low.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between orbital speed and the need to match the comet's rotational speed for stationary observations, with some arguing that this may not be practical.
  • One participant points out that to achieve a faster orbit, the spacecraft would need to approach closer to the comet, but this may not be necessary for effective mapping.
  • Another participant highlights that a stationary orbit would limit Rosetta's mapping capabilities to directly below its cameras, raising concerns about exploration effectiveness.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the feasibility of maintaining a geosynchronous orbit due to the irregular shape of the comet and its gravitational characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality of achieving a stationary orbit relative to the comet, with no consensus on whether such an orbit is feasible given the comet's characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the irregular shape of the comet complicates the application of point mass solutions for orbital calculations, and there are unresolved questions about the stability of potential orbits.

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Hi All,

I know that Rosetta was orbiting around 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko. This asteroid has extremely low gravitational force acting on Rosetta. I believe that if the celestial body is heavy (mass), then there would be greater gravitational pull on the satellite and the orbital speed of it's satellite should be fast near it's surface so as to avoid collision.

I have below questions.

1. Since there is almost zero gravitational pull on Rosetta by 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko, does the Rosetta orbit the comet very slowly ?

2. The comet itself rotates. In order to make observations of the comet (Geo-stationery orbit), the orbital speed of Rosetta should match with the rotational speed of comet. Now assume if rotational speed of comet is very fast. Now in this case, Rosetta should match that speed so that it will be stationery to the comet. But at that speed it will fly away from comet. So, what maneuvers they put in place to achieve this ?

Thanks...
 
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1. Fast and slow are relative terms. What are you comparing with?
2. To orbit faster the spacecraft has to apptoach closer. But you do not need to match orbital velocity to rotational velocity to map the surface... it's actually counter productive. ie satellite mapping of the Earth is easier from a polar orbit, do you see why?
 
Thanks Simon. I intend to keep Rosetta stationery relative to comet. Hence I would like to match the orbital and rotational speed.
 
abhaybakshi said:
Thanks Simon. I intend to keep Rosetta stationery relative to comet. Hence I would like to match the orbital and rotational speed.

Why ?
it's not a very good idea from an exploration point of view
 
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abhaybakshi said:
I intend to keep Rosetta stationery relative to comet.
... what is wrong with getting Rosetta into a stationary orbit then?

Compare: if you wanted a geostationary orbit, which is a stationary orbit about the Earth, then you need satisfy particular conditions...[/I]
 
abhaybakshi said:
Hi All,

I know that Rosetta was orbiting around 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko. This asteroid has extremely low gravitational force acting on Rosetta. I believe that if the celestial body is heavy (mass), then there would be greater gravitational pull on the satellite and the orbital speed of it's satellite should be fast near it's surface so as to avoid collision.

I have below questions.

1. Since there is almost zero gravitational pull on Rosetta by 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko, does the Rosetta orbit the comet very slowly ?

Yes. The escape velocity for 67P is approximately 1 (one) meter per second. Orbital velocity, of course, must be less than this velocity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko
2. The comet itself rotates. In order to make observations of the comet (Geo-stationery orbit), the orbital speed of Rosetta should match with the rotational speed of comet. Now assume if rotational speed of comet is very fast. Now in this case, Rosetta should match that speed so that it will be stationery to the comet. But at that speed it will fly away from comet. So, what maneuvers they put in place to achieve this ?

Thanks...

'stationery' is stuff you write letters on.

'stationary' is standing still in one place.

If Rosetta is placed in a stationary orbit w.r.t. 67 P, it can only map the surface directly below its cameras.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_( spacecraft )
 
abhaybakshi said:
Thanks Simon. I intend to keep Rosetta stationery relative to comet. Hence I would like to match the orbital and rotational speed.
I don't know if that is possible. Rosetta presently orbits at ~29 km with an orbital speed of ~0.15169 m/s and a period of ~14 days. the rotational period of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko is 12.4 hours. The orbital radius for its mass if you treat the mass as a point source is 3.229 km. However, the body is an irregular shape with some dimensions greater than this distance, so the point source solution is not applicable. There just might not be a stable geosynchronous orbit.
 
@Janus: was hoping to get OP to realize that and write it out.
The process of thinking about it should (fingers crossed) also suggest a solution...
 

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