How Does Singular Value Decomposition Transform a Unit Sphere into an Ellipsoid?

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The discussion revolves around the singular value decomposition (SVD) of a matrix \( A \in \mathbb{R}^{3 \times 3} \) that maps a unit sphere in \( \mathbb{R}^3 \) to an ellipsoid defined by specific semi-axes. Participants explore the relationship between the matrix \( A \) and the transformation of vectors from the unit sphere to the ellipsoid.

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  • One participant presents the mapping of specific vectors from the unit sphere to the ellipsoid and asks for the singular value decomposition of \( A \).
  • Another participant suggests writing the semi-axes as columns of a matrix \( B \) and questions the relationship between \( AB \) and the SVD form \( A = U \Sigma V^* \).
  • Some participants express confusion about the purpose of the matrix notation and the implications of the mappings.
  • There is a discussion about the canonical basis and how it relates to the transformation of the vectors through \( A \).
  • One participant proposes that if \( B \) is orthogonal, then it could serve as part of the singular value decomposition of \( A \) with specific singular values.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the transformation and the purpose of the matrix notation. While some agree on the potential structure of \( A \) and its decomposition, there is no consensus on the clarity of the approach or the implications of the mappings.

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There are unresolved questions about the orthogonality of matrix \( B \) and its role in the singular value decomposition of \( A \). Participants also express uncertainty about the overall purpose of the discussion and the mathematical steps involved.

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Suppose that A \in \mathbb{R}^{3 \times 3} who maps the unit sphere in \mathbb{R}^3 to an ellips with the following semi-axes;
x = \left(-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}, -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}},0\right)^{T} \mapsto Ax = (2,0,0)^{T}
x=\left(-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}, \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}},0\right)^{T} \mapsto Ax = (0,-3,0)^{T}
x=(0,0,1)^{T} \mapsto Ax = (0,0,6)^{T}

What is the singular value decomposition of A? I'm not allowed to calculate A.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Impo said:
Hi

Suppose that A \in \mathbb{R}^{3 \times 3} who maps the unit sphere in \mathbb{R}^3 to an ellips with the following semi-axes;
x = \left(-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}, -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}},0\right)^{T} \mapsto Ax = (2,0,0)^{T}
x=\left(-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}, \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}},0\right)^{T} \mapsto Ax = (0,-3,0)^{T}
x=(0,0,1)^{T} \mapsto Ax = (0,0,6)^{T}

What is the singular value decomposition of A? I'm not allowed to calculate A.

Thanks in advance!

Suppose you write each of your semi-axes as the columns of a matrix we will call $B$.
Then what is $AB$ equal to?

Can you rewrite that in the form $A=U\Sigma V^*$ aka a singular value decomposition?
 
I like Serena said:
Suppose you write each of your semi-axes as the columns of a matrix we will call $B$.

Honestly, I don't understand what you mean ...
 
Impo said:
Honestly, I don't understand what you mean ...

$$B=\begin{bmatrix}
-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & 0 \\
-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 \\
\end{bmatrix}$$

Now what is $AB$?

And can you rewrite it to a form where $A$ is equal to an orthogonal matrix times a diagonal matrix times another orthogonal matrix?
 
I like Serena said:
$$B=\begin{bmatrix}
-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & -\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & 0 \\
-\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 \\
\end{bmatrix}$$

Now what is $AB$?

And can you rewrite it to a form where $A$ is equal to an orthogonal matrix times a diagonal matrix times another orthogonal matrix?

I have no idea, I don't know anything about $A$. But I thought that semi-axes of the ellips were the vectors Ax?
 
Impo said:
I have no idea, I don't know anything about $A$.

Yes you do.
You know the images of each of the column vectors in B.
So you should write that down using matrix notation.

But I thought that semi-axes of the ellips were the vectors Ax?

Right.
I intended the vectors on the unit sphere that are mapped to the semi-axes of the ellipsoid.
 
If \{e_1,e_2,e_3\} is the canonical basis for \mathbb{R}^3 then the only thing I can say is
A(Be_1)=(2,0,0)^{T}
and so on

But I don't see how this helps me ...
I think I don't quite understand the purpose of this.
 
Impo said:
If \{e_1,e_2,e_3\} is the canonical basis for \mathbb{R}^3 then the only thing I can say is
A(Be_1)=(2,0,0)^{T}
and so on

Yes... and you can combine those to write down $AB$...

But I don't see how this helps me ...
I think I don't quite understand the purpose of this.

I guess we'll get to that once we get the matrix notation down, since that seems to be the main obstacle.
 
I like Serena said:
Yes... and you can combine those to write down $AB$...
I guess we'll get to that once we get the matrix notation down, since that seems to be the main obstacle.

AB = \left( \begin{array}{ccc} 2 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & -3 & 0 \\ 0& 0&6 \end{array} \right)
$\Leftrightarrow A = \left( \begin{array}{ccc} 2 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & -3 & 0 \\ 0& 0&6 \end{array} \right)B^{-1}$
$\Leftrightarrow A = \mbox{I}_3 \left( \begin{array}{ccc} 2 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & -3 & 0 \\ 0& 0&6 \end{array} \right)B^{-1}$

In fact, if I prove that $B$ is an orthogonal matrix, that is, the columns are orthogonal vectors then I think this is a possible singular value decomposition of $A$ with singular values: $2, -3$ and $6$.
 
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Yep!
That's it.
 

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