How Does Temperature and Pressure Affect Gibbs Free Energy in Water?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between temperature, pressure, and Gibbs free energy in water. The original poster presents a scenario involving a mole of water at 198 K and atmospheric pressure, seeking to understand the changes in Gibbs free energy when the temperature is raised to 303 K and how pressure adjustments might compensate for this change.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply thermodynamic equations related to Gibbs free energy, questioning the applicability of certain equations due to temperature changes. Participants raise questions about calculating volume and the specific entropy of water, while also discussing the use of thermodynamic identities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations to use, and there is an exploration of the necessary pressure adjustments related to changes in Gibbs free energy.

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There are indications of potential calculation errors and assumptions regarding the properties of water, such as its density and entropy, which are under discussion but not resolved.

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Homework Statement



Suppose you have a mole of water at 198 K. and atmospheric pressure. use the data at the bac of this book to determine what happens to its gibbs free energy if you raise the temperature to 303 Kelvins. To compensate for this change, you could increase the pressure of the water. How much pressure would be require?

Homework Equations



V=(dG/dP), N and T are fixed
S=-(dG/dT), N and P are constant
delta(G)=delta(H)-Tdelta(S)

The Attempt at a Solution



H2O=> H2+.5*O2

delta(G)=-237.13 kJ/mol at 298 K(from thermodynamic reference table in back of my textbook).

I don't think I can used the equation delta(G)=delta(H)-Tdelta(S) since the temperature now changes ; therefore I turn to the equation S=-(dG)/dT. dT=303K-298 = 5 Kelvins. Not sure how to find

for the second part of the problem, I am now concerned with the amount of pressure I would add to compensate for the change in Gibbs free energy when the temperature increases. I think I would used the thermodynaimic identity equation , V=dG/dP? I would already have calculated dG from my equation S=-(dG/dT). How would I calculate my volume?
 
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You don't know how to calculate the volume of a mole of water? :smile:
Also, doesn't your book have the specific or molar entropy of water?
 
Mapes said:
You don't know how to calculate the volume of a mole of water? :smile:
Also, doesn't your book have the specific or molar entropy of water?

sure I know how to calculate the volume of 1 mole of water: I could either use NKT/P = V equation or used the knowledge that 1 mole of water is 18 grams which means the volume of water is 18 m^3 since density of water is 1.00 kg /m^3
 
Well, the first way only works with ideal gases...
The second way has some calculation errors or typos, but at least it's the right general approach. Does this help in calculating the necessary pressure for the desired change in G?
 
Mapes said:
Well, the first way only works with ideal gases...
The second way has some calculation errors or typos, but at least it's the right general approach. Does this help in calculating the necessary pressure for the desired change in G?

yes since V=dG/dP
 

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