How Does the Bogoliubov Transformation Apply in BCS Theory with MFA?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Bogoliubov transformation in the context of BCS theory under the mean field approximation (MFA). Participants explore the mathematical relationships between the transformation equations and the implications of changing variables in the context of fermionic operators.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the inability to derive equation (2) from equation (1) using a change of variables and the application of the dagger operation.
  • Another participant suggests that the second equation is provided for convenience and questions the restriction on the transformation.
  • A later reply asserts that the relationship α_{-k} = β_{k} is not universally true, prompting further examination of the definitions used for α and β.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of time inversion symmetry on the definitions of ε^{-}_{k} and ε^{+}_{k}, suggesting that electronic states with opposite momentum are degenerate.
  • One participant highlights the importance of distinguishing between spin labels (up and down) in the context of annihilation and creation operators, suggesting that this distinction affects the transformation process.
  • Another participant references literature to support their definitions of α and β, indicating that discrepancies may arise from differing interpretations of the equations.
  • Concerns are raised about the correctness of the formulas presented, with suggestions to compare them against established literature for verification.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of certain transformations and definitions, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mathematical steps and assumptions involved in the Bogoliubov transformation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues related to the definitions of the Bogoliubov coefficients and the implications of time inversion symmetry. Participants note potential errors in the application of these definitions, but no consensus is reached on the correct approach.

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Hello everybody,

I am having some trouble to understand the significance behind the Bogoliubov transformation in the case of the BCS theory in the mean field approximation (MFA). Without going into all the details of the calculation the final result is a Bogoliubov transformation like:

(1) $γ_{k, σ}=α_{k}^{*} c_{k, σ}+β_k c_{-k,-σ}^{\dag}$
(2) $γ_{-k, -σ}^{\dag}=-β_{k}^{*} c_{k, σ}+α_k c_{-k,-σ}^{\dag}$

where $γ_{k, σ}$ in the annihilation operator in the new basis, α and β are the Bogoliubov coeffs.

My question is the next, once we get the previous result why can not we get equation (2) from (1) by making the change of variables k→-k, σ→-σ and the applying $^{\dag}$ in both sides?
I know that the vector in (1) and (2) are eigenvectors of the BCS hamiltonian, therefore, linearly independent from each other. But I still do not get why we can not do the transformation I mentioned before.
Thanks
 
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Can't help you with the specifics, but I do know that you'll be more likely to get help if you make the latex work properly. The tags you'd want to use are
Code:
[itex] latex here [/itex]
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arojo said:
My question is the next, once we get the previous result why can not we get equation (2) from (1) by making the change of variables k→-k, σ→-σ and the applying $^{\dag}$ in both sides?
I know that the vector in (1) and (2) are eigenvectors of the BCS hamiltonian, therefore, linearly independent from each other. But I still do not get why we can not do the transformation I mentioned before.
Thanks
I think you can do this and the second equation is given for convenience of the reader. Who sais you can't?
 
Hey,

I received some comments asking for a more clear latex expression. So equations (1) and (2) become:

\gamma_{k, σ}=\alpha_{k}^{*} c_{k, σ}+\beta_{k} c_{-k,-σ}^{\dagger} (1)

\gamma_{-k, -σ}^{\dagger}=-\beta_{k}^{*} c_{k, σ}+\alpha_{k} c_{-k,-σ}^{\dagger} (2)

Where c_{k, σ} and \gamma_{k, σ} are the fermionic annihilation operators in the old and Bogoliubov basis, respectively. k and σ are the quasi-momentum and the spin projection in the z direction (which takes values of up and down), respectively.

\alpha_{k} = \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} \left( 1 + \frac{ε^{-}_{k}}{E_k} \right)} (3)

\beta_{k} = \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} \left( 1 - \frac{ε^{-}_{k}}{E_k} \right)} (4)

ε^{-}_{k} = \frac{ε_{k} - ε_{-k}}{2} (5)

ε^{+}_{k} = \frac{ε_{k} + ε_{-k}}{2} (6)

E_{k} = \sqrt{(ε^{+}_{k})^2 + \Delta^2_{k}} (7)

Now from the set of equations (3)-(7) we can see that

\alpha_{-k} = \beta_{k} (8)

So if to equation (1) we apply ^{\dagger} both sides we get:

\gamma_{k, σ}^{\dagger}=\alpha_{k} c_{k, σ}^{\dagger}+\beta_{k}^{*} c_{-k,-σ} (9)

If now we change k → -k and \sigma → -\sigma, we obtain:

\gamma_{-k, -σ}^{\dagger}=\alpha_{-k} c_{-k, -σ}^{\dagger}+\beta_{-k}^{*} c_{k,σ} (10)

But because of (8) we can rewrite equation (10) as

\gamma_{-k, -σ}^{\dagger}=\beta_{k} c_{-k, -σ}^{\dagger}+\alpha_{k}^{*} c_{k,σ} (11)

which is different from (2).

So I repeat my question, why is this procedure incorrect? Which is the wrong assumption or step in the calculation?
Thanks
 
\alpha_{-k} = \beta_{k} isn't true...

-\epsilon_{-k}^-\neq \epsilon_k^+

I am not sure of your comment, because if I follow the definitions for α and β, I can do the following

\epsilon_{k}^- = \frac{\epsilon_{k} -\epsilon_{-k}}{2}

So if we replace k → -k we obtain:

\epsilon_{-k}^-= - \epsilon_k^-

For \epsilon_{-k}^{+}= \epsilon_k^+, therefore is we chose α and β to be real,

\alpha_{-k}= \sqrt{\frac{1}{2} \left( 1 + \frac{\epsilon_{-k}^-}{E_{-k}}\right)} = \sqrt{\frac{1}{2} \left( 1 - \frac{\epsilon_{k}^-}{E_{k}}\right)} = \beta_k

\beta_{-k}= \sqrt{\frac{1}{2} \left( 1 - \frac{\epsilon_{-k}^-}{E_{-k}}\right)} = \sqrt{\frac{1}{2} \left( 1 + \frac{\epsilon_{k}^-}{E_{k}}\right)} = \alpha_k

Then in this skim your comment turn to be wrong. In any case, I would thank you if you could point out an error in my calculation.

Maybe we do not have the same definition, I am using the definitions for α and β from my last post.

Thanks
 
DrDu said:
I think you can do this and the second equation is given for convenience of the reader. Who sais you can't?

Maybe I was not very clear, my question is not related to the fact if it is allowed or not to follow the procedure I propose. My question is why we do not get equation (2) from (1) if we do the proposed change of variables?
 
I see. Are you sure that (c_{k,\sigma})^\dagger=c_{k,\sigma}?

Actually the problem is little bit different. It will be more like:

\gamma_{-k,-\sigma}^{\dagger} = \gamma_{k,\sigma}

Which could have some physical meaning as:

Annihilating a particle with a momentum k and an spin \sigma is equivalent to create a particle with a momentum -k and an spin -\sigma.

But still it does not explain the mathematical problem even if it could have some physical sense.

Thanks
 
There must be an error with your definitions, specifically in the dependence of alpha and beta on epsilon_k. Elektronic states with opposite value of k are degenerate due to time inversion symmetry, so
\epsilon^-_k=(\epsilon_k−\epsilon_{-k})/2=0
\epsilon^-_k has to be replaced by \epsilon_k=\epsilon^+_k.
That's also what I found in the literature.
 
I agree with you that there is a problem, but the definitions I am using are the most standard, actually for confirmation I took them from Bruus "Many body quantum theory in condensed matter". So in principle the definitions are right, besides error of my part recopying them.
Then if we change \epsilon_{k}^{-} for \epsilon_{k}^{+} gives the same problem even more dramatically.
 
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I think I can now pinpoint the problem. I think it is not correct to use a general \sigma as label for the anihilators/creators. Cooper uses explicitly either \uparrow or \downarrow. That means that you cannot generate e.g. \gamma_{k,\uparrow} from \gamma^\dagger_{-k,\downarrow} by complex conjugation and permutation of labels, but you have to take the complex conjugate and rotate 180 deg. around an axis which is perpendicular to both k and the z-axis. It is clear that such a rotation will transform |\uparrow\rangle into |\downarrow\rangle and vice versa up to a phase factor. As repetition of such a transformation (i.e. rotation by 360 deg) transforms the spin wavefunction into minus itself, there is a relative phase of -1 in the transformation of |\uparrow\rangle and |\downarrow\rangle. Alternatively, this can be understood in terms of the behaviour under time inversion (Kramers degeneracy).
 
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DrDu said:
I think I can now pinpoint the problem. I think it is not correct to use a general \sigma as label for the anihilators/creators. Cooper uses explicitly either \uparrow or \downarrow. That means that you cannot generate e.g. \gamma_{k,\uparrow} from \gamma^\dagger_{-k,\downarrow} by complex conjugation and permutation of labels, but you have to take the complex conjugate and rotate 180 deg. around an axis which is perpendicular to both k and the z-axis. It is clear that such a rotation will transform |\uparrow\rangle into |\downarrow\rangle and vice versa up to a phase factor. As repetition of such a transformation (i.e. rotation by 360 deg) transforms the spin wavefunction into minus itself, there is a relative phase of -1 in the transformation of |\uparrow\rangle and |\downarrow\rangle. Alternatively, this can be understood in terms of the behaviour under time inversion (Kramers degeneracy).

Thanks
 

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