How Does the Brightness and Temperature of l Carinae Change with Its Pulsations?

  • Thread starter Thread starter d97
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Star Variable
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the pulsations of the Cepheid variable star l Carinae, specifically focusing on its brightness and temperature changes during these pulsations. The original poster presents a problem involving calculations based on Wien’s displacement law and the relationship between luminosity, temperature, and radius.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of Wien’s displacement law and the relationship between temperature and luminosity. There are attempts to set up equations to relate the initial and final states of the star's temperature and luminosity. Some participants question the calculations and simplifications made during the process.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly in setting up ratios and simplifying equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their results. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the mathematical relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as presented, with specific values for temperature and luminosity provided. There is an emphasis on ensuring that assumptions and constants are correctly handled in the calculations.

d97

Homework Statement


The Cepheid variable star l Carinae pulsates with a period of about 36 days. During each pulsation, the star becomes about twice as bright and its radius grows by about 25%.
(a) In its smaller state, the star has a surface temperature of about 5100 K. Treating the star as a blackbody, use Wein’s displacement law to compute the wavelength at which l Carinae is brightest. [2 marks]
(b) If l Carinae swells by 25% and becomes twice as bright, what is its surface temperature in its swollen state? At what wavelength is it brightest in this state? [4 marks]

Homework Equations


λ=2.898*10^-3/T
T=(L/16πσa^2)^0.25

The Attempt at a Solution


For (a) I think I have got the correct solution from the first equation which was 5.68*10^-7 m. My main problem is (b) because I'm unsure on how to work out luminosity with the variables I have been given. Do you work out 'a' in the equation by saying that P^2=a^3?, I'm unsure.
Any help would be much appreciated thank you [/B]
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hello.

For (b) use your second relevant equation to set up the ratio of the final temperature to the initial temperature. Simplify before plugging in numbers.
 
Oh ok thank you I tried doing it that way and I got a temperature of 2.086*10^9 K, not sure if that is correct but it seems like its too big?
 
d97 said:
Oh ok thank you I tried doing it that way and I got a temperature of 2.086*10^9 K, not sure if that is correct but it seems like its too big?
Yes, that's too big. Can you show your calculation?
 
Yeah I wasn't sure how to do it your way, but I tried like this: T2/T1=(2L/32π^2*σ^2*1.25*a^4)^0.5, T1=5100K, L=3.417*10^17, a=26625, σ=5.67*10^-8
 
The reason for setting up a ratio is that all constants will cancel out. So, you have made a mistake in simplifying the ratio. Also, I don't understand how you got the power of 0.5 rather than 0.25.

For practice, what is the ratio of (a*b)0.25 and (a*c)0.25? Recall that ##\frac{x^b}{y^b} = \left( \frac{x}{y} \right)^b##
 
Oh ok would it be (a*b*/a*c)^0.25?
 
I re-calculated my temperature and I got 5507.4 K which seems more likely to be correct?
 
d97 said:
Oh ok would it be (a*b*/a*c)^0.25?
Yes, and note that you could simplify this by canceling the a.
 
  • #10
d97 said:
I re-calculated my temperature and I got 5507.4 K which seems more likely to be correct?
I don't get this answer. What expression do you get for the ratio of the temperatures after you simplify by canceling whatever you can and before you plug in any numbers?
 
  • #11
So what I got was T2/T2=(2L/a^4)^0.25 but I think I've canceled too many constants?
 
  • #12
d97 said:
So what I got was T2/T2=(2L/a^4)^0.25 but I think I've canceled too many constants?
Sorry *T2/T1
 
  • #13
d97 said:
So what I got was T2/T2=(2L/a^4)^0.25 but I think I've canceled too many constants?
This doesn't look right.

From T=(L/16πσa^2)^0.25, you have $$T_1 = \left( \frac{L_1}{16 \pi \sigma a_1^2} \right )^{0.25} $$ and $$T_2= \left( \frac{L_2}{16 \pi \sigma a_2^2} \right )^{0.25}$$ So, when you form the ratio ##\frac{T_2}{T_1}##, you should get something that involves ##L_1##, ##L_2##, ##a_1## and ##a_2##.
 
  • #14
TSny said:
This doesn't look right.

From T=(L/16πσa^2)^0.25, you have $$T_1 = \left( \frac{L_1}{16 \pi \sigma a_1^2} \right )^{0.25} $$ and $$T_2= \left( \frac{L_2}{16 \pi \sigma a_2^2} \right )^{0.25}$$ So, when you form the ratio ##\frac{T_2}{T_1}##, you should get something that involves ##L_1##, ##L_2##, ##a_1## and ##a_2##.
Oh ok so I tried it again and I got (L2a1^2/L1a2^2)^0.25 and I got a temperature of 5426.97 K
 
  • #15
That looks good.
 
  • #16
TSny said:
That looks good.
Ok thank you for all your help
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
Replies
24
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K