How Does the Charge Conjugate Dirac Field Transform in Quantum Field Theory?

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The discussion centers around the transformation of the charge conjugate Dirac field in quantum field theory, specifically examining the relationship between two expressions for the charge density current. Participants are exploring theoretical aspects related to quantum field theory, with references to specific texts.

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  • Vivek questions how the expression for the charge density current transforms from one form to another, seeking clarification on any missing identities.
  • Some participants suggest transposing the entire expression and utilizing the properties of the gamma matrices, particularly the inclusion of the gamma_0 matrix in the definition of the adjoint spinor.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of complex conjugation and whether the transformation involves taking the Hermitian adjoint of the expressions.
  • One participant notes the need to consider different conventions in the definitions of the current and charge conjugation transformation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the current is a spinor scalar, which leads to a discussion about the transposition in spinor space and the anticommutation of the spinors.

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Participants express differing views on the steps required to transform the expressions and the conventions used, indicating that there is no consensus on the approach to take or the identities involved.

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Participants mention various texts and conventions, suggesting that the discussion may be influenced by differing interpretations of definitions and mathematical steps. The relationship between the expressions remains unresolved.

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Hi,

I'm trying to work my way through Halzen and Martin's section 5.4. I'd appreciate if someone could answer the following question:

How does

j^{\mu}_{C} = -e\psi^{T}(\gamma^{\mu})^{T}\overline{\psi}^{T}

become

j^{\mu}_{C} = -(-)e\overline{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}\psi

? Is there some identity I'm missing?

Thanks in advance.

-Vivek
 
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transpose the entire thing, then use the fact that the psi-bar contains a gamma_0 matrix
 
ansgar said:
transpose the entire thing, then use the fact that the psi-bar contains a gamma_0 matrix

Why? If I transpose the entire thing, I get the next line without a minus sign. But why do I transpose? Not sure I follow you..
 
ok I can get this:



<br /> -e\psi^T\gamma^0{\gamma^{\mu}}^*\psi^*<br />

so performing a complex conjugation one gets

<br /> {j_C^{\mu}}^* -e\overline{\psi}{\gamma^{\mu}}\psi<br />
 
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ansgar said:
ok I can get this:



<br /> -e\psi^T\gamma^0{\gamma^{\mu}}^*\psi^*<br />

so performing a complex conjugation one gets

<br /> {j_C^{\mu}}^* -e\overline{\psi}{\gamma^{\mu}}\psi<br />

I don't think you understand my question here. The two expressions are equal. But are you asking me to transform one to the other by performing a transpose followed by a complex conjugation (in other words asking me to take the Hermitian adjoint)? That is, to prove A = B, I should take the Hermitian adjoint of A and find it to be equal to B. Is that what you're saying?

(Do you intend to utilize the fact that the current density 4 vector is real? If so, we should merely be taking the complex conjugate.)
 
can you just for completeness write down the four current and the C- transformation?

there are a couple of conventions out there you know..
 
ok if you go to peskin page 70, if you have it then you can work it you I think, with Halzens definitions I have no clue sorry
 
the current is a spinor scalar, it has no spinor indecies, so do a transpose in spinor space and use that the \psi's anticommute.
 

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