How Does the Integral's Limit Affect the Dark Energy Density Equation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation and derivation of the dark energy density equation as presented in Scott Dodelson's book "Modern Cosmology." Participants are examining the implications of the integral's limits in the equation, particularly in relation to the continuity equation for dark energy and how it compares with other literature, including a peer-reviewed paper. The scope includes theoretical derivation and mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the limits of the integral in the dark energy density equation, noting a discrepancy between Dodelson's equation and another paper.
  • Another participant suggests that the main concern is a sign error, which could affect the interpretation of how energy density evolves over time.
  • A different participant attempts to derive the equation from the continuity equation and finds a sign mistake in the other paper's equation, supporting the idea of a potential error in the peer-reviewed work.
  • There is a mention of a missing exponent of 1/2 in the other paper's equation, which is noted as a possible typo.
  • Participants discuss verifying the sign by substituting specific values for the equation of state parameter, w(a).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct limits of the integral or the sign of the equations. There are competing views regarding the accuracy of the equations presented in Dodelson's book versus the peer-reviewed paper.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in deriving the equations, particularly concerning the limits of integration and the implications of the equation of state parameter, w(a). The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of mathematical details in cosmological equations.

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Hello! This is my first post, so go easy on me! I'm working through Scott Dodelson's book Modern Cosmology http://books.google.com/books?id=3oPRxdXJexcC&pg=PA23&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false and I am a bit confused about equation 2.85:
$$\rho_{DE} \propto e^{-3 \int^a \frac{da'}{a'} [ 1+ w(a')]}$$

where ##\rho## is the energy density for dark energy, a is the scale factor, and w is the equation of state parameter defined as ##w = \frac{P}{\rho}##.

My problem is that when I derive this equation from the dark energy continuity equation (which is eq. 2.55 in Dodelson, and I am able to derive with no problems):
$$\dot{\rho} + 3H\rho(1+w(a)) = 0$$

I get:
$$\rho_{DE} \propto e^{-3 \int_{1}^{a} \frac{[1+w(a')]da'}{a'}}$$

Which I'm assuming is what Dodelson's is (he doesn't have a lower limit on his integral, thus implying it is an integral over all a). However, this paper : http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2004/12/aah4738.pdf
in equation 7, has the limits flipped, but still has the negative sign on the 3. I'm inclined to believe both, since one is a textbook and the other is a peer-reviewed paper, but they cannot both be correct. I cannot, for the life of me, derive the version in the paper, but I have been able to get Dodelson's version (where the limits go from 1 to a). I just wanted to see if I was doing something stupid in deriving this equation, or if I am, in fact, correct.

I've also looked through several other books and papers, but they all seem to give it as a function of redshift:
$$\rho_{DE} \propto e^{3 \int_{0}^{z} \frac{[1 + w(z)]dz}{1 + z}}$$
Which I am also able to get from the continuity equation by just changing variables from a to z using:
##a = \frac{1}{1 + z}##.

If you change variables from z to a in equation 2.85, you get exactly what I got. The trouble is that I need this equation as a function of a because I need to put it into a larger code that already uses a instead of z.
Thank you very much for any help, and sorry for the ramble!
 
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Sounds like the main concern here is a sign error. The difference in sign out front will determine whether the energy density grows or shrinks over time for different values of w(a). So one easy to resolve this and make certain you have the sign in front correct would be to set w(a) = -2 and verify that the energy density of dark energy is lower in the past, and set w(a) = 0 and verify that it scales as 1/a^3 (as normal matter).
 
Yesterday, I used (2) to try and derive (7), and I seemed to find a sign mistake in (7). I just used Chalnoth's suggestion of setting ##w=0##, and, again, this indicates a sign mistake in (7).

Note also another mistake in (7), i.e., the missing exponent of 1/2.
 
George Jones said:
Yesterday, I used (2) to try and derive (7), and I seemed to find a sign mistake in (7). I just used Chalnoth's suggestion of setting ##w=0##, and, again, this indicates a sign mistake in (7).

Note also another mistake in (7), i.e., the missing exponent of 1/2.
What missing exponent of 1/2?
 
(7) should end with ##]^{1/2}##, as (6) does; either that, or both H and H_0 should be squared.
 
George Jones said:
(7) should end with ##]^{1/2}##, as (6) does; either that, or both H and H_0 should be squared.
Oh, I see what you're saying. I was going by what you wrote here on PF, not the text of the paper. Yes, that is a clear typo in the paper.
 
Thank you!
 

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