How Does the Pauli-Lujanski Tensor Relate to Gauge Invariance?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Pauli-Lubanski tensor and gauge invariance, exploring mathematical identities, vector nature, and implications in quantum field theory (QFT). Participants engage in technical reasoning and algebraic manipulation related to the properties of the Pauli-Lubanski vector and its transformation under Lorentz transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the expression [Mμν, Wσ] = i(gνσWμ - gμσWν) is an identity, while others seek to prove it, indicating differing perspectives on its complexity.
  • One participant emphasizes that proving the vector nature of Wμ is non-trivial, citing reasons such as the presence of a single space-time index and the implications of gauge potentials.
  • Another participant argues that the presence of the ε symbol in the definition of Wμ is invariant under Lorentz transformations, which they believe is crucial for understanding its vector nature.
  • There is a discussion about whether Pμ and Jμν are gauge invariant operators, with some participants suggesting that the improved, Belinfante versions are indeed gauge invariant.
  • One participant claims that even in gauge invariant theories, the energy-momentum vector and angular momentum tensor cannot be invariant under c-number gauge transformations.

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Participants express both agreement and disagreement on various points, particularly regarding the nature of Wμ as a vector and the implications of gauge invariance. The discussion remains unresolved on several technical aspects, with competing views on the significance of certain mathematical properties.

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Limitations include unresolved assumptions about the definitions of vector nature and gauge invariance, as well as dependencies on specific mathematical identities and transformation rules.

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I want to proof that
[M[itex]\mu[/itex][itex]\nu[/itex],W[itex]\sigma[/itex]]=i(g[itex]\nu[/itex][itex]\sigma[/itex]W[itex]\mu[/itex]-g[itex]\mu[/itex][itex]\sigma[/itex]W[itex]\nu[/itex])
I can reduce this expression but I can't find the correctly answer.
Thanks!
 
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You mean the Pauli-Lubanski vector. You can grind through a lot of algebra to show this, but actually there's nothing to prove. It's an identity!

Mμν is the 4-dimensional rotation operator, and consequently [Mμν, Vσ] = i(gνσVμ - gμσVν) for any 4-vector Vμ.
 
Sorry about the mistakes.
Thanks!
 
thalisjg said:
I want to proof that
[M[itex]\mu[/itex][itex]\nu[/itex],W[itex]\sigma[/itex]]=i(g[itex]\nu[/itex][itex]\sigma[/itex]W[itex]\mu[/itex]-g[itex]\mu[/itex][itex]\sigma[/itex]W[itex]\nu[/itex])
I can reduce this expression but I can't find the correctly answer.
Thanks!


Sandwitch [itex]W_{ \mu }[/itex] between [itex]U = \exp ( - i \omega_{ \mu \nu } J^{ \mu \nu } / 2 )[/itex] and [itex]U^{ \dagger }[/itex]:
[tex] U^{ \dagger } W_{ \mu } U = \frac{ 1 }{ 2 } \epsilon_{ \mu \nu \rho \sigma } U^{ \dagger } J^{ \nu \rho } U U^{ \dagger } P^{ \sigma } U .[/tex]
Now, use the transformation rules
[tex] U^{ \dagger } J^{ \nu \rho } U = \Lambda^{ \nu }{}_{ \lambda } \Lambda^{ \rho }{}_{ \eta } J^{ \lambda \eta } ,[/tex]
[tex]U^{ \dagger } P^{ \sigma } U = \Lambda^{ \sigma }{}_{ \delta } P^{ \delta } ,[/tex]
and the identity
[tex] \epsilon_{ \mu \nu \rho \sigma } \Lambda^{ \nu }{}_{ \lambda } \Lambda^{ \rho }{}_{ \eta } \Lambda^{ \sigma }{}_{ \delta } = \Lambda_{ \mu }{}^{ \gamma } \epsilon_{ \gamma \lambda \eta \delta } ,[/tex]
you get
[tex]U^{ \dagger } W_{ \mu } U = \Lambda_{ \mu }{}^{ \nu } W_{ \nu } .[/tex]
Write the infinitesimal version of this.

Sam
 
samalkhaiat said:
you get
[tex]U^{ \dagger } W_{ \mu } U = \Lambda_{ \mu }{}^{ \nu } W_{ \nu } .[/tex]
Write the infinitesimal version of this.
Again, this simply states the obvious fact that Wμ is a vector.
 
Bill_K said:
Again, this simply states the obvious fact that Wμ is a vector.

I believe that proving that “obvious fact” is not trivial at all. Bellow is my reasons why:

i) Having single space-time index does not guarantee the vector nature of an object.

ii) The presence of the [itex]\epsilon[/itex] symbol in the definition of [itex]W_{ \mu }[/itex].

iii) In QFT, both [itex]P_{ \mu }[/itex] and [itex]J_{ \mu \nu }[/itex] will have contributions from the gauge potential which itself is not a genuine vector.

iv) Young researchers should learn about the tricks of the trade and use them to prove as many “obvious facts” as they possibly can.

Sam
 
samalkhaiat said:
I believe that proving that “obvious fact” is not trivial at all. Bellow is my reasons why:

i) Having single space-time index does not guarantee the vector nature of an object.
Well, most of the time it does. The vector potential [itex]A_{ \mu }[/itex] in a gauge theory is the only exception I can think of, and even then only gauge-dependent results are sensitive to this issue.

samalkhaiat said:
ii) The presence of the [itex]\epsilon[/itex] symbol in the definition of [itex]W_{ \mu }[/itex].
The [itex]\epsilon[/itex] symbol is invariant under any Lorentz transformation that does not involve time reversal.

samalkhaiat said:
iii) In QFT, both [itex]P_{ \mu }[/itex] and [itex]J_{ \mu \nu }[/itex] will have contributions from the gauge potential which itself is not a genuine vector.
[itex]P_{ \mu }[/itex] and [itex]J_{ \mu \nu }[/itex] depend only on the field strength [itex]F_{ \mu\nu }[/itex], which is a genuine tensor.

samalkhaiat said:
iv) Young researchers should learn about the tricks of the trade and use them to prove as many “obvious facts” as they possibly can.
I fully agree with this one! :)
 
Avodyne said:
Well, most of the time it does. The vector potential [itex]A_{ \mu }[/itex] in a gauge theory is the only exception I can think of

One exception is enough to make the proof of the statement non-trivial.

and even then only gauge-dependent results are sensitive to this issue.

Do you think that [itex]P^{ \mu }[/itex] and [itex]J^{ \mu \nu }[/itex] are gauge invariant operators? :)

The [itex]\epsilon[/itex] symbol is invariant under any Lorentz transformation that does not involve time reversal.

I expressed this fact by writing the explicit transformation law for [itex]\epsilon[/itex] symbol. Students need to know this guy is invariant, don’t they?

[itex]P_{ \mu }[/itex] and [itex]J_{ \mu \nu }[/itex] depend only on the field strength [itex]F_{ \mu\nu }[/itex], which is a genuine tensor.

Without the use of the field equations ( off-shell), the canonical [itex]P^{ \mu }[/itex] & [itex]J^{ \mu \nu }[/itex] both depend on the gauge potential.

Sam
 
samalkhaiat said:
One exception is enough to make the proof of the statement non-trivial.
Agreed!

samalkhaiat said:
Do you think that [itex]P^{ \mu }[/itex] and [itex]J^{ \mu \nu }[/itex] are gauge invariant operators? :)
The "improved", Belinfante versions are indeed gauge invariant.
 
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Avodyne said:
The "improved", Belinfante versions are indeed gauge invariant.

As a matter of fact, Bellinfante procedure is possible because it does not affect the Poincare’ charges [itex]( P^{ \mu }, J^{ \mu \nu } )[/itex]. It only add a total divergence to the Poincare’ (canonical) currents, [itex]( T^{ \mu \nu }, J^{ \mu \nu \rho } )[/itex], leaving [itex]P^{ \mu }[/itex] and [itex]J^{ \mu \nu }[/itex] unchanged.
I can state (and prove on general grounds) the following claim:
“Even in a gauge invariant theory, the energy-momentum vector and the angular momentum tensor cannot be invariant under the c-number gauge transformations of the theory”.

Sam
 

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