How does the radius affect frictional force in circular motion?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the radius of a curved track and the frictional force acting on a car in circular motion. Participants are examining the implications of the frictional force in the context of centripetal force and how it relates to the radius of the track.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of the frictional force and its dependence on the radius, questioning the wording of the problem statement. There is a discussion about whether the frictional force is directly or inversely related to the radius, as well as the role of speed and mass in this relationship.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing debate regarding the correctness of the answer choices, particularly option E, with some participants asserting its validity while others reference the textbook's authority. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and a critical examination of the problem's phrasing.

Contextual Notes

Participants express a desire to question the textbook's explanations and definitions, indicating a broader educational context where critical thinking is encouraged. There is also mention of the ambiguity in the term "dependent" as it relates to the frictional force and radius.

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Homework Statement


A car drives along a curved track. The frictional force exerted by the track on the car is:

a. greater than the frictional force exerted by the car on the track
b. directed radially outward
c. opposite in direction to the frictional force exerted by the car on the track
d. zero if the car's speed is constant
e. dependent on the radius of the track

Homework Equations


mV2/R = Centripetal force
Ffr = Fc if the car is to not slide

The Attempt at a Solution


So the track must exert a frictional force on the car equal to its centripetal force as it rounds the circle to prevent it from slipping. And this centripetal force is dependent on the radius of the track R.

So from this I think the answer could be E.

But also, between any two objects A and B, the friction A exerts on B is equal and opposite in direction to the frictional force B exerts on A.

So from this I think the answer could be C.

The book says the answer is C. But I want to know why it can't be E.
 
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E is also a correct answer.
HaoPhysics said:
But I want to know why it can't be E.
Because the book says so. Seriously, though, E looks correct to me because the force of static friction needed is ##f_s=\frac{mv^2}{R}##. Of course it also depends on the speed and mass of the car, not only on the radius of the track, but I don't see an "only" in E.
 
kuruman said:
E is also a correct answer.

Because the book says so. Seriously, though, E looks correct to me because the force of static friction needed is ##f_s=\frac{mv^2}{R}##. Of course it also depends on the speed and mass of the car, not only on the radius of the track, but I don't see an "only" in E.

Thanks for the input! And yes, I feel that a part of the secondary education program is learning to question the books.
 
E is badly worded? The friction force is inversely dependent/proportional on the radius.
 
HaoPhysics said:
Thanks for the input! And yes, I feel that a part of the secondary education program is learning to question the books.
Not just the books. Question everything.
 
CWatters said:
E is badly worded? The friction force is inversely dependent/proportional on the radius.
That is also a good point.
 
kuruman said:
Not just the books. Question everything.

Very true. I like your signature quote.
 
CWatters said:
E is badly worded? The friction force is inversely dependent on the radius.
In my understanding, "dependent" could possibly mean linearly, inversely, inversely squared, exponentially, whatever. As long as there is a "radius" (independent variable) on the right side, the force of friction (dependent variable) is "dependent" regardless the functional form. If the author of the question meant "directly proportional", then it is a poorly phrased question. Again in my opinion.
 

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