How Does the Transformation in Sakurai's Quantum Mechanics Work?

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The discussion revolves around the transformation presented in J.J. Sakurai's 'Modern Quantum Mechanics', specifically focusing on the mathematical transition between two expressions involving the spin operator \( S_z \) and its action on the eigenstates \( |+\rangle \) and \( |-\rangle \). Participants explore the technical details of the transformation, including issues with LaTeX formatting and the implications of operator actions in quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on how to derive the second expression from the first, indicating a need for understanding the transformation process.
  • Another participant points out issues with LaTeX formatting in the original post, suggesting that the absence of certain symbols may lead to display problems.
  • A participant discusses the properties of the exponential of a self-adjoint operator, noting that it results in a unitary operator and that knowing the eigenvalues can simplify calculations.
  • There are mentions of browser issues affecting the visibility of LaTeX expressions, with one participant speculating about potential problems with their browser or the need to refresh the page.
  • Another participant shares their calculations in the representation of \( S_z \), detailing how the operator acts on the eigenstates and leading to further insights into the transformation process.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the transformation and LaTeX formatting issues. There is no consensus on the derivation process, as some participants focus on technical details while others address formatting challenges.

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The following is from 'Modern Quantum Mechanics' by J.J. Sakurai, page 159.

[tex]\left( \frac{ \hbar }{ 2 } \right) \exp \left( \frac{i S_{z} \phi}{\hbar} \right) \left{ left( \mid + \rangle \langle - \mid \right) + \left( \mid - \rangle \langle + \mid \right) right} \exp \left( \frac{- i S_{z} \phi}{\hbar}[/tex]

[tex]= \left( \frac{\hbar}{2} \right) \left( e^{i \phi / 2} \mid + \rangle \langle - \mid e^{i \phi / 2} + e^{- i \phi / 2} \mid - \rangle \langle + \mid e^{- i \phi / 2} \right)[/tex]

How do I get from the first to the second?
 
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Oops. Posted before I wanted to. How do I delete this?
 
You can't delete the thread, just individual posts, as long as nobody answered to you already. Just click the edit button on your first post and add the full question.
 
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You can edit your post for 12 hours after you posted it.

Keep in mind that you need to refresh and resend after each preview to see the right LaTeX images.
 
I ran into trouble with LaTeX.

This is what I wanted to post. What am I doing wrong?

for the first expression,

\left( \frac{ \hbar }{ 2 } \right) \exp \left( \frac{i S_{z} \phi}{\hbar} \right) \left{ left( \mid + \rangle \langle - \mid \right) + \left( \mid - \rangle \langle + \mid \right) right} \exp \left( \frac{- i S_{z} \phi}{\hbar}

for the second expression,

= \left( \frac{\hbar}{2} \right) \left( e^{i \phi / 2} \mid + \rangle \langle - \mid e^{i \phi / 2} + e^{- i \phi / 2} \mid - \rangle \langle + \mid e^{- i \phi / 2} \right)

Looks like I got the second one right. What's wrong with the first one?
 
omoplata said:
[tex]\left( \frac{ \hbar }{ 2 } \right) \exp \left( \frac{i S_{z} \phi}{\hbar} \right) \left{ left( \mid + \rangle \langle - \mid \right) + \left( \mid - \rangle \langle + \mid \right) right} \exp \left( \frac{- i S_{z} \phi}{\hbar}[/tex]
...
What's wrong with the first one?
No \right) at the end. A couple of missing \ symbols. { isn't displayed unless you type it as \{.
 
OK, the operators act on the [itex]|\pm\rangle[/itex] vectors, according to their definitions. These vectors are eigenvectors of the S_z spin operator, so making the 2 calculations shouln't be difficult. The exponential of a self-adjoint operator is a unitary operator. If you know the eigenvalue of the s-a operator, it's easy to find the eigenvalues of the unitary operator which is associated to it.
 
Thanks bigubau.

I think there's something wrong with my browser or something ( firefox 3.6.13 in ubuntu ). I can see the first LaTeX expression where Fredrik has quoted me. But I can't see it on my own post.
 
Your post doesn't contain any tex tags. I typed them around the math expression I quoted. :smile:
 
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Fredrik said:
Your post doesn't contain any tex tags. I typed them around the math expression I quoted. :smile:

Oh, no. I mean my very first post in this tread. I can't see the first LaTeX expression.
 
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OK, I can see it now.

But I couldn't see it before.

My conclusion is one of two things.
1. I am going crazy.
2. My browser was displaying an incorrect LaTeX image and something (refreshing the browser? ) happened which caused the LaTeX image to be displayed correctly.

Either way, thanks for the help everyone.
 
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omoplata said:
OK, I can see it now.

But I couldn't see it before.

My conclusion is one of two things.
1. I am going crazy.
2. My browser was displaying an incorrect LaTeX image and something (refreshing the browser? ) happened which caused the LaTeX image to be displayed correctly.

Either way, thanks for the help everyone.
Definitely 2, although that doesn't rule out that 1 is true as well. :wink: You need to refresh and resend after each preview, and if you didn't do that after the last change you made before you saved the changes, you need to refresh the page one more time after it shows up the first time.

Edit: I noticed today that you may have to refresh the page after saving the changes, even if you did refresh and resend after each preview. I also found out that the time you're allowed to edit a post is 11 hours and 40 minutes, not 12 hours as I said above.
 
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I tend to calculate it in the representation of [tex]S_{z}[/tex]'s. So,
[tex]S_{z}\mid +>=\frac{\hbar}{2}\mid +>[/tex]
[tex]S_{z}\mid - >=-\frac{\hbar}{2}\mid ->[/tex]
Then, according to the definition of [tex]exp(\hat{F})[/tex],
[tex]exp(\frac{iS_{z} \phi}{\hbar})\mid + >=exp(\frac{i\phi}{2})\mid + >[/tex]
[tex]exp(\frac{iS_{z} \phi}{\hbar})\mid - >=exp(\frac{-i\phi}{2})\mid - >[/tex]
Then, operating the equations above with dagger, you can get,
[tex]< + \mid exp(\frac{-iS_{z} \phi}{\hbar})=< + \mid exp(\frac{-i\phi}{2})[/tex]
[tex]< - \mid exp(\frac{-iS_{z} \phi}{\hbar})=< - \mid exp(\frac{i\phi}{2})[/tex]
You can work the second now.
 

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