How Does Upwards Drag Force Create Horizontal Torque in a Paper Helicopter?

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The discussion revolves around a Paper Helicopter Experiment, specifically focusing on the relationship between the deflection angle of the rotors and the rotational velocity of the helicopter. Participants are exploring how the upwards drag force contributes to horizontal torque in this context.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the mechanics of torque generation from drag forces and is drawing free body diagrams to visualize the forces involved. Other participants discuss the components of forces acting on the blades and question how to compute moment of inertia in relation to angular acceleration.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some providing insights into the forces at play and the calculations needed for moment of inertia. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the forces and their contributions to torque, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are navigating complex air motion and the implications of geometry on moment of inertia calculations, which may introduce additional challenges in their understanding of the problem.

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I'm working on a Paper Helicopter Experiment in school where I'm looking at the deflection angle of the rotors versus the rotational velocity of the copter. I'm having difficulty forming a relationship between the deflection angle and the torque that the helicopter experiences

But how exactly does the upwards drag force resolve into a horizontal torque? I've been drawing some free body diagrams and the only way that I've seen that torque could have been produced was if the blades pushed back on the air with a force equal to the component of drag force parallel to the slant angle of the wings. Is this the reason or is it something else?

Any help much appreciated

By the way if anybody is wondering what a paper helicopter is:
http://www.theonlinepaperairplanemuseum.com/AZMuseum/R/RotoCopter/Robo-CopterPic.JPG

Looks like a sycamore seed.

Thanks
 
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I think the drag force is just the net (or total) force. Each blade experiences a force which has both horizontal and vertical components due to the air. Because the vertical components of the 2 forces on the 2 blades cancel each other, the net force is the sum of horizontal components.

I haven't figured out the exact equation for the forces, as the air's motion is complex.
 
Hmmm...on a related note if I knew the angular acceleration of the helicopter how can I compute its moment of inertia to obtain the net torque on the copter? I heard that for shapes with simple objects, the moment of inertia can be found by considering its dimensions?
 
The moment of inertia (I) always has this form: I = k x Mass x Square of dimensions, where k is some coefficient depending on the shape and Square of dimensions is a sum depending on the dimensions and the shape. So we always have to find the dimensions to calculate I, however simple or complex the shape is.

For the paper helicopter, you can find I about the central axis of each blade and the body by assuming they're rectangular and their mass is uniformly distributed. It's easy for the body (it's totally similar to I of a rod about its axis of symmetry). For the blades, first, you should find I about the axis going through its center and parallel to the central axis of the helicopter, and then, apply Huyghens-Steiner theorem (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_axis_theorem).
 

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