How exp(jwt)=cos(wt)+jsin(wt)?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the complex exponential function exp(jwt) and its representation as cos(wt) + jsin(wt). Participants explore the nature of this equality, particularly in terms of its sinusoidal characteristics and implications in the complex plane.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about why exp(jwt) is considered sinusoidal, questioning whether it would go to infinity as t increases.
  • One participant suggests comparing the Taylor series of the functions to understand their equivalence.
  • Another participant notes that both functions solve the same differential equation.
  • A detailed explanation is provided using Taylor series expansions for exp(x), cos(x), and sin(x), highlighting the alternating signs and powers involved.
  • Participants discuss the behavior of exp(ix) and how it leads to the separation of real and imaginary parts, resulting in the expressions for cosine and sine.
  • There is a mention that the exponential function behaves differently along the real and imaginary axes, which may contribute to the confusion regarding its sinusoidal nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the sinusoidal nature of exp(jwt). There is no consensus on the interpretation of the exponential term as sinusoidal, and multiple viewpoints remain regarding its behavior as t increases.

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Some participants are operating under the assumption that j is the imaginary unit, which may affect their interpretations. The discussion also highlights a potential limitation in understanding complex functions through the lens of real numbers.

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Can anyone explain in simple terms on how they are equal? graphs are welcome.

The thing I don't understand is why exp(jwt) is sinusoidal. Wouldn't exp(jwt) go to infinity when t increases? I don't know how to understand the exp term as sinusoidal? in my mind they simply go to zero or infinity.
 
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Assuming j is the imaginary unit just compare the Taylor series for these two functions.
 
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Can anyone explain in simple terms on how they are equal? graphs are welcome.

The thing I don't understand is why exp(jwt) is sinusoidal. Wouldn't exp(jwt) go to infinity when t increases? I don't know how to understand the exp term as sinusoidal? in my mind they simply go to zero or infinity.

exp(x) behaves the way you expect. The image of exp(ix) is the unit circle on the complex plane.
 
notice they solve the same differential equation.
 
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I like Mathwonk's answer! A similar way to see that e^{ix}= cos(x)+ isin(x) is to use the Taylor's series at x= 0 (as jgens said):

e^{x}= 1+ x+ x^2/2+ x^3/6+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ x^n/n!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot
cos(x)= 1- x^2/2+ x^4/4!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ (-1)^n x^{2n}/(2n!)+ \cdot\cdot\cdot
sin(x)= x- x^3/3!+ x^5/5!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ (-1)^n x^{2n+1}/(2n+1)!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot

Each involves powers of x over the factorial of that power. Sine has only odd powers, cosine only even powers and sine and cosine have alternating sign.

Now see what happens when we replace "x" with "ix" in the series for e^x:
e^{ix}= 1+ (ix)+ (ix)^2/2+ (ix)^3/3!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ (ix)^n/n!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot
e^{ix}= 1+ ix+ i^2x^2/2+ i^3x^3/3!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ i^nx^n/n!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot
Of course, i^2= -1 so i^3= i^2(x)= -i, i^4= -i(i)= 1 and then it all repeats. That is, every odd power of ix is plus or minus ix while every even power is plus or minus 1. So
e^{ix}= 1+ ix- x^2/2- ix^3/3!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ (-1)^nx^{2n}/(2n)!+ (-1)^ni x^{2n+1}/(2n+1)!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot

and separating "real" and "imaginary" parts
e^{ix}= (1- x^2/2+ x^4/4!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ (-1)^n x^{2n}/(2n)!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot)+ i(x- x^3/3!+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ (-1)^n x^{2n+1}/(2n+1)!)
e^{ix}= cos(x)+ isin(x)

I don't know how to understand the exp term as sinusoidal? in my mind they simply go to zero or infinity.
That's because you are used to dealing with real numbers. The exponential is increasing along along the real axis, periodic along the imaginary axis.
 

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