How fast are gravitational forces transmitted?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of how quickly gravitational forces are transmitted, particularly in hypothetical scenarios involving the disappearance of the Sun. Participants explore the implications of such scenarios within the framework of General Relativity and the nature of gravitational interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if the Sun were to disappear, it would take time for Earth to notice due to the finite speed of light and the proposed speed of gravitons, which are theorized to travel at light speed.
  • Others argue that the scenario of a star's mass completely disappearing is not physically realizable, making it impossible to predict how fast any gravitational signal could travel.
  • One participant emphasizes that discussing the Sun vanishing is a flawed framing of the question, as it violates the laws of physics and cannot be analyzed meaningfully.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that a more appropriate question would involve scenarios like black hole collisions, which could allow for a discussion on the propagation of gravitational waves.
  • Some participants note that General Relativity does not treat gravity as a force that can be transmitted, complicating the discussion of speed in this context.
  • There is mention of the non-linear nature of the Einstein field equations, which complicates the separation of gravitational contributions from different massive bodies.
  • One participant proposes that the curvature of spacetime at a point is determined by the contents of its past light cone, which may provide insight into the propagation of gravitational effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the framing of the question and the implications of General Relativity. There is no consensus on how to approach the original question, with some asserting it cannot be answered as posed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the original question's formulation, as it relies on a scenario that cannot exist within the framework of physics as understood. The complexities of General Relativity and the nature of gravitational interactions are emphasized, indicating that a proper analysis requires a different approach.

  • #31
Vanadium 50 said:
My question is "if the OP disappears suddenly, how long does it take the thread to notice?"
(He hasn't been here since the OP)
The speed of postitons?
 
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  • #32
Posters are a field. They're always there; it's simply the contribution that fluctuates.
 
  • #33
DaveC426913 said:
Posters are a field.
Sometimes quite far afield.
 
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  • #34
DaveC426913 said:
Posters are a field. They're always there; it's simply the contribution that fluctuates.
Well, the smallest field has 2 elements, so ...
 

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