MHB How Fast Does the X-Coordinate Move on a Complex Graph Curve?

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The discussion centers on determining the speed and direction of the x-coordinate of a point moving along the curve defined by the equation 3x^3 + 4y^3 = xy. By implicitly differentiating this equation with respect to time, participants derive a formula for dx/dt. Substituting the given values, they calculate that the x-coordinate is moving at a speed of 7.5 units per second to the left. This analysis highlights the application of implicit differentiation in understanding motion on complex graphs. The findings provide clarity on the relationship between the coordinates' rates of change.
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A point is moving on the graph of

3x^2 + 4y^3 = xyWhen the point is at P = (1/7, 1/7)

its y-coordinate is increasing at a speed of 3
units per second.
What is the speed of the x-coordinate at
that time and in which direction is the xcoordinate
moving?
 
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Hello, and welcome to MHB! (Wave)

We are given the curve:

$$3x^2+4y^3=xy$$

In order to answer the given question, it will be helpful to implicitly differentiate with respect to time $t$...in doing so, what do you get?
 
hi thanks!

would you get

9x + 12y (dy/dx) = xy

I am not entirely sure how to differentiate in respect to timeAlso sorry the equation before was 3x^3+4y^3 = xy
the first exponent being wrong in my first post. either way it will help me to learn how its done
 
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marshmallow said:
hi thanks!

would you get

9x + 12y (dy/dx) = xy

I am not entirely sure how to differentiate in respect to timeAlso sorry the equation before was 3x^3+4y^3 = xy
the first exponent being wrong in my first post. either way it will help me to learn how its done

We consider that both $x$ and $y$ are functions of time $t$, and so beginning with:

$$3x^3+4y^3=xy$$

We apply on the left the power and chain rules, and on the right the product and chain rules to obtain:

$$9x^2\d{x}{t}+12y^2\d{y}{t}=\d{x}{t}y+x\d{y}{t}$$

We are being asked to find $$\d{x}{t}$$, and so solving for that, what do you obtain?
 
To follow up, we get:

$$\d{x}{t}=\frac{\d{y}{t}\left(x-12y^2\right)}{9x^2-y}$$

Plugging in the given values, we find:

$$\d{x}{t}=\frac{\dfrac{3}{7}\left(1-\dfrac{12}{7}\right)}{\dfrac{1}{7}\left(\dfrac{9}{7}-1\right)}=\frac{3(7-12)}{9-7}=-\frac{15}{2}$$

And so the x-coordinate is moving at 7.5 units/second to the left.
 
There are probably loads of proofs of this online, but I do not want to cheat. Here is my attempt: Convexity says that $$f(\lambda a + (1-\lambda)b) \leq \lambda f(a) + (1-\lambda) f(b)$$ $$f(b + \lambda(a-b)) \leq f(b) + \lambda (f(a) - f(b))$$ We know from the intermediate value theorem that there exists a ##c \in (b,a)## such that $$\frac{f(a) - f(b)}{a-b} = f'(c).$$ Hence $$f(b + \lambda(a-b)) \leq f(b) + \lambda (a - b) f'(c))$$ $$\frac{f(b + \lambda(a-b)) - f(b)}{\lambda(a-b)}...

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