How Fast Does the X-Coordinate Move on a Complex Graph Curve?

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The discussion revolves around determining the speed and direction of the x-coordinate of a point moving along the curve defined by the equation 3x^3 + 4y^3 = xy, given that the y-coordinate is increasing at a specific rate. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and implicit differentiation techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem of finding the speed of the x-coordinate when the point is at P = (1/7, 1/7) and the y-coordinate is increasing at 3 units per second.
  • Another participant suggests using implicit differentiation with respect to time to solve the problem.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the differentiation process and acknowledges a correction in the equation's exponent.
  • Further clarification is provided on applying the power and chain rules for differentiation, leading to a derived equation involving both x and y as functions of time.
  • One participant calculates the expression for the speed of the x-coordinate, arriving at a value of -7.5 units/second, indicating movement to the left.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of using implicit differentiation, but there is uncertainty expressed regarding the differentiation process and the initial equation. The final calculation of the x-coordinate's speed is presented as a participant's conclusion, but no consensus on the correctness of the approach or results is established.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the differentiation steps and the implications of the initial equation's correction. The discussion does not clarify the assumptions made during the differentiation process.

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A point is moving on the graph of

3x^2 + 4y^3 = xyWhen the point is at P = (1/7, 1/7)

its y-coordinate is increasing at a speed of 3
units per second.
What is the speed of the x-coordinate at
that time and in which direction is the xcoordinate
moving?
 
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Hello, and welcome to MHB! (Wave)

We are given the curve:

$$3x^2+4y^3=xy$$

In order to answer the given question, it will be helpful to implicitly differentiate with respect to time $t$...in doing so, what do you get?
 
hi thanks!

would you get

9x + 12y (dy/dx) = xy

I am not entirely sure how to differentiate in respect to timeAlso sorry the equation before was 3x^3+4y^3 = xy
the first exponent being wrong in my first post. either way it will help me to learn how its done
 
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marshmallow said:
hi thanks!

would you get

9x + 12y (dy/dx) = xy

I am not entirely sure how to differentiate in respect to timeAlso sorry the equation before was 3x^3+4y^3 = xy
the first exponent being wrong in my first post. either way it will help me to learn how its done

We consider that both $x$ and $y$ are functions of time $t$, and so beginning with:

$$3x^3+4y^3=xy$$

We apply on the left the power and chain rules, and on the right the product and chain rules to obtain:

$$9x^2\d{x}{t}+12y^2\d{y}{t}=\d{x}{t}y+x\d{y}{t}$$

We are being asked to find $$\d{x}{t}$$, and so solving for that, what do you obtain?
 
To follow up, we get:

$$\d{x}{t}=\frac{\d{y}{t}\left(x-12y^2\right)}{9x^2-y}$$

Plugging in the given values, we find:

$$\d{x}{t}=\frac{\dfrac{3}{7}\left(1-\dfrac{12}{7}\right)}{\dfrac{1}{7}\left(\dfrac{9}{7}-1\right)}=\frac{3(7-12)}{9-7}=-\frac{15}{2}$$

And so the x-coordinate is moving at 7.5 units/second to the left.
 

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