How fast is the lighthouse beam moving along the shoreline?

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The discussion revolves around determining the speed of a lighthouse beam as it moves along a shoreline, specifically when the beam is at a certain distance from the lighthouse. The problem involves concepts from trigonometry and calculus, including the relationship between angles and distances in a right triangle formed by the lighthouse, the shoreline, and the beam's position.

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  • One participant introduces the problem by stating the lighthouse's distance from the shore and the rotation speed of the beam.
  • Another participant suggests generalizing the problem and deriving a formula involving the tangent of the angle and the distances.
  • A subsequent post presents a differentiation of the tangent function with respect to time, indicating a relationship between the angle and the distance along the shore.
  • There is a challenge regarding the inclusion of a constant in the differentiation process.
  • One participant proposes a formula for the rate of change of distance along the shore, incorporating the rotation speed of the beam.
  • Another participant confirms the differentiation approach and introduces the Pythagorean identity to relate the angle and distances, leading to a new expression for the rate of change of distance along the shore.
  • Finally, a participant calculates a specific value for the speed of the beam using the derived formulas and given data.

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Participants engage in a collaborative exploration of the problem, with some agreeing on the mathematical approaches while others challenge or refine earlier claims. No consensus is reached on a final answer, as the discussion remains open-ended with various contributions.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the geometry of the situation and the relationships between the variables, which may not be fully resolved. The dependence on specific definitions and the implications of the calculations are also present but not explicitly clarified.

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A light in a lighthouse $1$ km offshore from a straight shoreline is rotating at $2$ revolutions per minute.

How fast is the beam moving along the shoreline when it passes the point $\frac{1}{2}$ km from the point opposite the lighthouse?

ok we have a right triangle where the $\theta$ is the angle of the beam from the shore
and we have $2$ revolutions per minute is the same as $\displaystyle\frac{4\pi}{min}$

so we have ($y$ being the dist from the lighthouse to the shore)
$\displaystyle \text{y}=\tan{\theta}$

the rev thing is what ? me
 
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Let's generalize a bit and derive a formula we can then plug our data into.

The first thing I would do is draw a diagram:

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As we can see, we may state:

$$\tan(\theta)=\frac{x}{y}$$

Now, let's differentiate with respect to time $t$, bearing in mind that while $x$ and $\theta$ are functions of $t$, $y$ is a constant. What do you get?
 

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$\frac{DX}{DT}=\sec^2{\theta}\frac{d\theta}{DT}$
 
karush said:
$\frac{DX}{DT}=\sec^2{\theta}\frac{d\theta}{DT}$

That's close, but what about the constant $y$?
 
how bout $\frac{dx}{dt}=(1+x^2 )∙4\pi$ since $\frac{d\theta}{dt}=4\pi$
 
Yes, if we write:

$$x=y\tan(\theta)$$

then differentiate with respect to time $t$, we find:

$$\d{x}{t}=y\sec^2(\theta)\d{\theta}{t}$$

Now, by Pythagoras, we know:

$$\sec^2(\theta)=\tan^2(\theta)+1=\frac{x^2+y^2}{y^2}$$

And so we have:

$$\d{x}{t}=\frac{x^2+y^2}{y}\d{\theta}{t}$$

Now we just have to plug in the given data...:D
 
MarkFL said:
$$\sec^2(\theta)=\tan^2(\theta)+1=\frac{x^2+y^2}{y^2}$$

And so we have:

$$\d{x}{t}=\frac{x^2+y^2}{y}\d{\theta}{t}$$

Now we just have to plug in the given data...:D

$\displaystyle\frac{{\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^2 + 1}}{1}=\frac{5}{4}$ so then $\displaystyle\frac{5}{4}\cdot 4\pi = 5\pi \frac{km}{min}$
 
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