How good are our ears? (Detectable Interstellar signals)

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The discussion revolves around the sensitivity of detection methods used in SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) and the theoretical limits of detecting interstellar signals from advanced civilizations. It explores the relationship between the strength of signals, the distance from the transmitter, and the capabilities of radio telescopes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how sensitive our detection methods need to be to identify signals from advanced civilizations, considering factors like signal strength and distance.
  • Others suggest that the power and sensitivity of radio telescopes are more critical than the metaphorical "goodness" of our ears in detecting signals.
  • There is a discussion about the anthropomorphizing of radio telescopes as "ears," with some suggesting that "eyes" might be a more appropriate term since they detect electromagnetic radiation.
  • One participant mentions that SETI is more sensitive to radar signals than to radio signals, implying differences in detection capabilities.
  • References are made to a recent article about the "A Beacon in the Galaxy" mission from the Chinese FAST radio telescope, which aims to broadcast Earth's location to potential extraterrestrial civilizations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the focus should be on the capabilities of radio telescopes or the nature of the signals being detected. There is no consensus on the implications of the lack of detected signals from civilizations within 20 light years.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the physical limits of signal strength and the effectiveness of detection methods remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the nuances of signal detection versus telescope sensitivity.

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Detectable Interstellar signals...
How good are our ears / what can SETI and the like detect ?

If we are listening for a radio signal broadcast by some advanced civilisation in our galaxy how sensitive would our "ears" have to be to detect a signal ? Obviously part of that equation would be how strong and how close the transmitter was, is there a physical limit to the strength of a generated signal that could be broadcast, if so how close would we need to be to detect the signal.

If memory serves me well the loudest signal ever broadcast from Earth was 1000 kW from Arecibo, almost 50 years ago, at what point would that signal become "practically" undetectable ? Can we reasonably deduce that since no one has returned the call that there's no technologically advanced civilsation within 20 light years from Earth ?
 
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Isn't it more a question of how powerful our radio telescopes are, than how good our ears are?
 
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PeroK said:
Isn't it more a question of how powerful our radio telescopes are, than how good our ears are?
I think the OP was anthropomorphizing the radio telescopes as "ears."
 
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Mark44 said:
I think the OP was anthropomorphizing the radio telescopes as "ears."
Given that it's our eyes that detect electromagnetic radiation, perhaps "eyes" would have been more appropriate.
 
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Canada Bob said:
Obviously part of that equation would be how strong and how close the transmitter was
Which is why Seti is much more sensitive to radar than radio.
 
PeroK said:
Isn't it more a question of how powerful our radio telescopes are, than how good our ears are?
Powerful ? do you mean sensitive ?
 
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