How GR Resolves the Conservation of Momentum and Energy

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The discussion centers on the implications of Noether's theorem for the conservation of energy and momentum in general relativity (GR). It highlights that while energy and momentum are conserved in flat spacetime due to time and space translational invariance, this is complicated in curved spacetimes where Killing vector fields may not exist. The presence of active diffeomorphisms can disrupt these Killing vector fields, leading to questions about the physical meaning of energy and momentum in GR. Rovelli's work emphasizes the challenges in defining a vacuum state when energy lacks a clear interpretation, suggesting a need to rethink traditional physics concepts. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the nuanced relationship between geometry, energy, and the fundamental principles of GR.
  • #121
Haelfix said:
A conformal isometry is a diffeomorphism:
Psi: M --> M such that (Psi*G)uv = Omega^2 Guv provided omega is everwhere real and positive. The case Omega = 1 is just a regular isometry.

Can you give an example? I'm having a hard time imagining such a map. Is it possible to have a continuous family of such maps?

A conformal transformation (or Weyl rescaling):
Guv' = Omega^2 Guv

is NOT in general a diffeomorphism! If you don't take the pullback, then it won't be invariant.

But I'm looking for things which are not invariant. Is a round 2-sphere of radius A diffeomorphic to a round 2-sphere of radius B, or not?

I say it is. In patches, \varphi: (\theta, \phi) \mapsto (\theta, \phi), which is clearly differentiable, and poses no problems with the transition functions. But g_A is not the pullback of g_B along \varphi.

One does have \varphi^*(g_B) = (b^2/a^2) \, g_A, is that what you mean above? In this case, \varphi : A \rightarrow B, not \varphi : A \rightarrow A.
 
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  • #122
Haelfix said:
So I agree with most of your post, except the last part. I am a little uneasy with the terminology. Following Wald and Nakahara:

A conformal isometry is a diffeomorphism:
Psi: M --> M such that (Psi*G)uv = Omega^2 Guv provided omega is everwhere real and positive. The case Omega = 1 is just a regular isometry.

A conformal transformation (or Weyl rescaling):
Guv' = Omega^2 Guv

is NOT in general a diffeomorphism! If you don't take the pullback, then it won't be invariant.
You seem to be contradicting yourself here.
A Weyl rescaling is a conformal transformation of the metric, and all conformal transformations are diffeomorphisms (they are defined as the subgroup of diffeomorphisms that preserve the metric up to a scale, the conformal factor).
 
  • #123
TrickyDicky said:
You seem to be contradicting yourself here.
A Weyl rescaling is a conformal transformation of the metric, and all conformal transformations are diffeomorphisms (they are defined as the subgroup of diffeomorphisms that preserve the metric up to a scale, the conformal factor).

Real quick, b/c I have to go. Yes. I did just change conventions from a few posts back, but that's b/c the definition of a conformal transformation differs between the texts I'm consulting and I just switched to Wald's convention. (Nakahara calls the former definition a conformal transformation, Wald calls the latter a conformal transformation). What's important is that they are distinct mathematical concepts. (scroll through a few pages in Wald as well)

http://books.google.com/books?id=9S...A#v=onepage&q=wald conformal isometry&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=cH...QHf78HeAw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

(See the example from the latter).
 
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