How Has the Michigan vs. Michigan State Rivalry Changed Over Time?

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The discussion centers around the historical and contemporary dynamics of the rivalry between the University of Michigan and Michigan State University, particularly in the context of American football. Participants explore the implications of past interactions, cultural references, and the evolution of the rivalry over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference the rivalry's history, noting the phrase "what goes around comes around" in relation to the competitive nature of the teams.
  • One participant mentions a specific incident where a University of Michigan player referred to Michigan State players as "little brother," which has contributed to the rivalry's intensity.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the rivalry's context, questioning how a state can lose to itself and referencing historical events like the War of 1812.
  • Participants discuss the origins of the nickname "Moo U" for Michigan State University, linking it to its founding as an agricultural college.
  • There is a humorous exchange about the rivalry and the cultural implications of the term "Moo U," with one participant expressing newfound amusement at the nickname after understanding its context.

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The discussion reflects a mix of humor and confusion, with no clear consensus on the implications of the rivalry or the significance of the terms used. Participants express differing levels of familiarity with the rivalry and its cultural references.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on personal interpretations and experiences, which may not capture the full scope of the rivalry's history or significance. The discussion includes references to cultural idioms and historical events that may not be universally understood.

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History lesson from BIG BROTHER to little brother: What goes around comes around. :mad:

MICHIGAN: GO BLUE

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Yeah, one of these days we'll get those guys from Moo U. They've had a pretty good run the last several years, though. :H
 
Do I even want to know what the hell you're talking about?
Michigan is the state. How can it lose to itself, and what does it even have to lose? All that I can think of is when it lost terribly to us in the war of 1812. I still don't know why we gave it back, but given the bankruptcy of Detroit it was probably a good idea...

(And what do cows have to do with it?)
 
Danger said:
Do I even want to know what the hell you're talking about?
Michigan is the state. How can it lose to itself, and what does it even have to lose? All that I can think of is when it lost terribly to us in the war of 1812. I still don't know why we gave it back, but given the bankruptcy of Detroit it was probably a good idea...

(And what do cows have to do with it?)
I'm talking about a (American) football game that took place recently between the University of Michigan and Michigan State University. A few years ago, one of the Univ. of Michigan football players referred to Michigan State players as "little brother." This got the people at Michigan State very angry. Michigan has lost to Michigan State several times in the past few years, partly (presumably) because this comment incensed the MSU players. The term "what goes around comes around" is an idiom that reminds one that if your team is better than another team now, some time in the future the other team will be better, so don't rub it in now.

Chet
 
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A ":p" smilie would have sufficed, Chet. My whole post was facetious. While I don't watch sports if given the option (and when I do it's Canadian ones), I figured that you were referring to one or another flavour of that. (I didn't realize that Michigan had enough smart people to support 2 universities, but that's just based upon the representatives that I've met on our side of the border.) I actually spent '65—'78 living just outside of Windsor, 35 miles south-east of Detroit.
I'm familiar with the term "what goes around comes around", although I've always found it a bit trite. It refers to karma, as in "I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma."
 
Danger said:
(And what do cows have to do with it?)

Michigan State U was founded (in 1855) as the Agricultural College of the State of Michigan and still has an agriculture school (more precisely, a College of Agriculture and Natural Resources), which the U of Michigan does not.
 
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Michigan State U was founded (in 1855) as the Agricultural College of the State of Michigan and still has an agriculture school (more precisely, a College of Agriculture and Natural Resources), which the U of Michigan does not.
Oh, okay. That makes sense, and I now consider the original "Moo U" comment funny. (It's a bit too late to lie down and laugh my guts out, but I am retroactively amused.)
 

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