How have we concluded that X is an inductive set?

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The discussion revolves around the proof that a certain set $X$ is an inductive set, specifically focusing on the implications of the proof steps and the conditions required to establish membership in $X$. The context is mathematical reasoning related to set theory and the properties of natural numbers.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on why showing that $m \subset n$ leads to the conclusion that $n' \in X$.
  • Another participant questions whether it is necessary to show that $m \in n' \rightarrow m \subset n'$ to establish that $n' \in X$.
  • A participant asserts that since $m \subseteq n$, it follows that $m \subseteq n'$, implying a connection between the two sets.
  • A later reply reiterates the previous point about the implication of $m \subseteq n$ leading to $m \subseteq n'$, indicating agreement on this reasoning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There appears to be some agreement on the implications of the proof regarding the relationship between the sets, but the necessity of certain conditions for establishing membership in $X$ remains a point of contention.

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The discussion does not resolve the question of whether all necessary conditions for proving that $n' \in X$ are adequately addressed in the proof.

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Hello! (Nerd)

I am looking at the proof of the following sentence:

For any natural numbers $m,n$ it holds that:

$$n \in m \rightarrow n \subset m$$

Proof:

We define the set $X=\{ n \in \omega: \forall m (m \in n \rightarrow m \subset n)$ and it suffices to show that $X$ is an inductive set.
Then, $\varnothing \in X$.
Let $n \in X$.
We want to show that $n'=n \cup \{ n \} \in X$.
We pick a $m \in n'=n \cup \{ n \}$.
Then $m \in n$ or $m \in \{ n \}$.
  • If $m \in n$ and since $n \in X$, we have that $m \subset n$
  • If $m \in \{ n \} \rightarrow m=n \rightarrow m \subset n$

So, $n' \in X$ and therefore $X$ is an inductive set.I haven't understood why, having shown that $m \subset n$, we have concluded that $n' \in X$. (Worried)
Could you explain it to me? (Thinking)
 
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In order to show that $n' \in X$ don't we have to show that $m \in n' \rightarrow m \subset n'$ ? Or am I wrong? (Thinking)
 
In both cases in the proof, we have $m\subseteq n$. This trivially implies $m\subseteq n'$.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
In both cases in the proof, we have $m\subseteq n$. This trivially implies $m\subseteq n'$.

I see (Nod) Thank you very much! (Happy)
 

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