How Is Angular Speed Calculated in a Dual Disk System with a Falling Mass?

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The problem involves a dual disk system with a falling mass, where the objective is to calculate the angular speed of the disks just before the mass hits the ground. The context includes concepts from rotational dynamics and energy conservation, specifically gravitational potential energy and rotational kinetic energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy theorem, questioning the relationship between the gravitational potential energy of the falling mass and the kinetic energy of the disks. There is an exploration of how energy is transferred from the block to the disks as the block falls.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining the energy transformations involved. Some have pointed out potential misunderstandings regarding the conservation of energy and the roles of potential and kinetic energy in the system.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the energy calculations, particularly in how the potential energy of the block translates into kinetic energy for both the block and the disks. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations, suggesting a need for further clarification.

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Homework Statement



A block of mass m = 4 kg hangs from a rope that is wrapped around a disk of mass m and radius R1 = 27 cm. This disk is glued onto another disk of again the same mass m and radius R2 = 66 cm. The two disks rotate on a fixed axle without friction. If the block is released at a height 1.7 m above the ground, what is the angular speed of the two disk system just before the block hits the ground. Answer in units of rad/s

Homework Equations



Ugrav = mgh

KErot = 1/2 Iω2

Idisk = 1/2mr2

The Attempt at a Solution



Using the work-energy theorem, the work done on the disks by the block is equal to the final kinetic energy of the block, which is equal to the initial gravitational potential energy of the Earth on the block:

ΔKblock = ΔUgrav, block = ΔKrot, disks

Knowing that the final potential energy of the system is approaching zero;

ΔUgrav, block = mgh

So far we have:

mgh = ΔKrot, disks

Knowing also that the initial rotational kinetic energy of the disks is zero, and with equation I provided, we know that

ΔKrot, disks = (1/2)Iω2

Where:

I = (1/2)mr12 + (1/2)mr22

The final equation received would be:

mgh = (1/2)((1/2)mr12 + (1/2)mr222

cancelling for m:

gh = (1/2)((1/2)r12 + (1/2)r222

continuing the move terms over to solve for omega:

4gh = (r12 + r222

4 * (9.8) * (1.7) = [(.27)2 + (.66)2] * ω2

Solving for ω:

131.05 = ω^2
ω = 11.45

This is incorrect though :(
 
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The block gains some KE as it falls.
 
NascentOxygen said:
The block gains some KE as it falls.

Lamebert said:
Using the work-energy theorem, the work done on the disks by the block is equal to the final kinetic energy of the block, which is equal to the initial gravitational potential energy of the Earth on the block:

ΔKblock = ΔUgrav, block = ΔKrot, disks

Yep.
 
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The block loses PE. The disks and the block gain KE.
 

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