How is negative ion acceleration possible?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the acceleration of negative ions, particularly focusing on the mechanisms that allow an atom with an extra electron to be accelerated without losing that electron. Participants explore theoretical implications and practical considerations related to forces acting on ions in contexts like cyclotrons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Marlin notes the surprising ability to accelerate heavy ions like mercury, questioning whether the extra electron could be stripped away during acceleration and how that affects the motion of the nucleus.
  • Another participant suggests that as long as the accelerating force does not exceed the binding energy of the extra electron, the entire atom can be moved without losing the electron.
  • One contributor points out that the electric field of the nucleus is significantly stronger than that of the accelerator, which may help keep the electron bound during acceleration.
  • A later reply supports the idea that the attraction between the electrons and the nucleus allows the nucleus to be dragged along with the electrons, provided that the ion remains deionized during the process.
  • An analogy is provided comparing the situation to pulling a box with a handle, where gentle pulling moves the box, but a sudden jerk could detach the handle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the binding energy of the extra electron plays a crucial role in the acceleration of negative ions, but there are differing views on the implications of forces applied during acceleration and the potential for electron stripping.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the binding energy of the extra electron and the conditions under which the nucleus remains bound to the electrons during acceleration.

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I was wondering at the remarkable fact that when an atom has an extra electron it is then possible to apply forces to it to accelerate it. What I find remarkable is the fact that even a heavy ion like mercury where the nucleus is many orders of magnitude more massive than the one electron that is able to cause the acceleration. One could conclude that when the forces to accelerate the ion are applied, it rips off the electron(s) and the electrons go in the direction of acceleration and the now positive nucleus is then accelerated in the opposite direction.

For example, in the case of a cyclotron, a speeding mercury ion (-) encounters the magnetic field and the electrons get pulled to the right, say, and the bare nucleus would then be pulled to the left. In real life this does not happen (or does it to a small extent?) but what prevents it from happening generally?

Thanks,

Marlin
 
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The electrons are still bound to the nucleus, so as long as your accelerating force doesn't exceed the binding energy then you would be able to move the whole atom without stripping the electron off. I'm assuming that the binding energy of that extra electron is quite low compared to the others, but still high enough to enable the acceleration of the atom.
 
The electric field of the nucleus, at the position of the electron, is large compared with the electric field of the accelerator.
 
Drakkith has it right. One way to think of it is that you are pushing the electrons in one direction, and because the electrons attract the nucleus, the nucleus gets dragged along with it. So long as you don't deionize the ion, this works.

The same thing happens macroscopically - think about a box with a handle duct-taped on. If I pull the handle softly, the box moves. If I jerk it, the handle comes off.
 

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