How is our speed (~605km/s) derived from the CMB dipole anisotropy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the speed of approximately 605 km/s from the cosmic microwave background (CMB) dipole anisotropy, focusing on the relationship between redshift and velocity. Participants seek to understand the underlying principles without delving into extensive calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the derivation of the speed 605 km/s from the observed CMB wavelength of 1.9 mm and questions the use of relativistic mathematics, specifically the Lorentz factor.
  • Another participant states that the speed is derived from the CMB redshift measured in multiple directions, noting that the differential between the highest and lowest redshift is about 600 km/s.
  • A follow-up question asks how velocity is specifically derived from redshift, inquiring whether there is a linear relationship or if it follows the Lorentz factor curve.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the restriction to English in the discussion and mentions that the relationship is linear for low velocities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the relationship between redshift and velocity, with some agreeing on the derivation method while others seek clarification on the mathematical relationships involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how velocity is derived from redshift.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the linearity of the relationship between redshift and velocity, as well as the applicability of relativistic effects at different speeds.

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Hi. How does the number 605km/s come from the observed CMB wavelength of 1.9mm?
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation)

Please only reply in 'English' and not a bunch of calculations because Google already provides lots of calculations. I am trying to get a general understanding in English.

Most importantly, I am trying to understand if any relativistic math is used to get the speed. Is the Lorentz factor (sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) used in there anywhere? I have applied this formula to the speed of 605 in a project and arrived at a notable result but need to know if I have simply reversed a calc that was done by someone to arrive at the 605.

Thanks.
 
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It is derived from the CMB redshift taken in multiple direction. Subtracting the highest from lowest redshift gives a differential of about 600 kms.
 
Chronos said:
It is derived from the CMB redshift taken in multiple direction. Subtracting the highest from lowest redshift gives a differential of about 600 kms.

Thanks. How then is velocity derived from Red Shift exactly? Are certain speed associated with certain changes in frequency? Is it linear or does it follow the lorentz factor curve?
 
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I don't understand how the restriciton to English is supposed to make communication easier. However, the relationship is linear for low verlocities.
 

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