How Is the Abelianization of a Lie Group Defined?

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The discussion centers on the definition and understanding of the abelianization of a Lie group, particularly how it relates to the commutator subgroup in the context of Lie groups versus finite groups. Participants explore the implications of these definitions and provide examples to illustrate their points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines the abelianization of a group G as the quotient G/[G,G], where [G,G] is the commutator subgroup, and questions how this applies to Lie groups.
  • Another participant confirms that the commutator subgroup for Lie groups can be defined in a similar manner, noting that group operations remain analytic.
  • A participant shares an example involving the group of roto-translations on the 2D plane, suggesting that the commutator subgroup corresponds to the subgroup of translations and positing that the abelianization is isomorphic to the subgroup of rotations.
  • Another participant mentions that for a Lie subgroup H, the coset space G/H forms a smooth manifold, and the action of G on this space is smooth as well.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of the commutator subgroup for Lie groups, but the implications and specific examples, such as the case of roto-translations, introduce some exploratory reasoning without consensus on broader conclusions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how the abelianization process may differ between finite groups and Lie groups, nor does it clarify the specific properties of the commutator subgroup in all contexts.

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Hi,

the abelianization of a group G is given by the quotient G/[G,G], where [G,G] is the commutator subgroup of G. When dealing with finite groups, the commutator subgroup is given by the (normal) subgroup generated by all the commutators of G.

If we consider instead the case of G being a Lie group, how do we abelianize it? In particular, do we define the commutator subgroup of a Lie group G in the standard way, as all the elements of G obtained by finite sequences of commutators and their inverses?

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Yes. It is still a group and group operations are analytic.
 
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Alright, thanks.
As an exercise I tried to consider the group G=RT of roto-translations on the 2D plane (which is a non-abelian group) and if my calculations are correct, the commutator subgroup of G turns out to be exactly the subgroup T of translations. Interesting.
From this I shall probably deduce that the abelianization of the group of roto-translation is isomorphic to the subgroup R of rotations.
 
Generally when you have a Lie subgroup, H, then the coset space G/H, is a smooth manifold and the action of G on G/H is itself smooth.
 

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