How Is the Cross Section Related to the Imaginary Part of the Action?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the cross section in scattering theory and the imaginary part of the Action, specifically in the context of the Optical Theorem and path-integral formalism. Participants explore theoretical underpinnings and specific equations from referenced literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how the cross section is derived as proportional to the imaginary part of the Action, expressing confusion over the nature of the Action being a real number.
  • Another participant suggests that the term "Action" may be a misnomer and refers to the scattering matrix (S-matrix) instead, indicating that the S-matrix is defined as ##S = e^{iHt}##.
  • A participant references a specific equation from a paper, noting an e^{-2Im(S)} term in the cross section, and expresses difficulty in understanding its origin, suggesting that S refers to the Action rather than the S-matrix.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the path-integral formalism, mentioning that the expression for the cross section is derived under certain limits and approximations, particularly the saddle-point approximation related to classical paths dominating the path integral.
  • It is noted that while the Optical Theorem is a general principle, the specific expression involving the imaginary part of the Action is not universally applicable and depends on the properties of the physical problem being analyzed.

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Participants express differing views on whether the Action in question is indeed the traditional Action or the S-matrix, and there is no consensus on the general applicability of the relationship between the cross section and the imaginary part of the Action.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationship between the cross section and the Action, with references to specific equations and theoretical frameworks that may not be universally applicable. Limitations in understanding the references and the conditions under which certain approximations hold are acknowledged.

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Can someone point towards how to derive that the cross section is proportional to the imaginary part of the Action? Also, I thought the Action was a real number?

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You are probably referring to the Optical Theorem. In that case, ##S## is not the action but the scattering matrix (S-matrix), which is basically ##S = e^{iHt}##. An explanation of the scattering matrix and Optical Theorem can be found in http://www.itp.phys.ethz.ch/research/qftstrings/archive/12HSQFT1/Chapter10.pdf .
 
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Thanks for the reply! To be more specific, I'm referring to equation (14) in http://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.5311v2.pdf.

They have an e^{-2Im(S)} contribution in their cross section (where I believe S in the action not the S-matrix) and I'm having a hard time seeing where it comes from.
 
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Cluelessluke said:
Thanks for the reply! To be more specific, I'm referring to equation (14) in http://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.5311v2.pdf.

They have an e^{-2Im(S)} contribution in their cross section (where I believe S in the action not the S-matrix) and I'm having a hard time seeing where it comes from.

Their equation (3) expresses the cross-section in terms of the S-matrix and they credit reference [7] with a calculation in the path-integral formalism that introduces the action. It is natural in the path-integral formulation that the action would appear,. Afterwards, they suggest that the expression is dominated by a saddle-point in a certain limit that takes ##g\rightarrow 0##. This saddle-point approximation is closely related to the WKB approximation that should be familiar from ordinary QM. What is happening is that, in this limit, the classical paths (critical points of the action) dominate the path integral, so the path integral expression can be approximated by their result ##\exp W##. As to why the action can be complex, I would suggest looking at their references for the details that they're clearly leaving out. There is some discussion of working in the Euclidean formalism, but I can't follow them well enough to give a concrete explanation.

You should try to understand the details of their arguments (perhaps some of their references might give further details), but you should know that the fact that they can express the cross section in terms of the imaginary part of the action is not a general rule. The Optical Theorem is general, but the expression from this paper relies on this physical problem having the correct properties to allow the saddle point approximation to work. There are many examples of physics problems where the saddle point approximation is useful, so it's worth learning why it works here. However the statement you present in your OP is most definitely not true in general.
 
Great! Thanks so much for your help!
 

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