How is the frequency unchanged in elastic wave scattering with a crystal?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of elastic wave scattering with a crystal, particularly focusing on why the frequency of the wave remains unchanged during this process. Participants explore the differences between elastic and inelastic scattering, seeking to understand the mechanisms involved in elastic scattering specifically.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that inelastic scattering results in a change of frequency due to energy transfer to phonons, while elastic scattering does not change the frequency, prompting questions about the underlying mechanisms.
  • Another participant suggests considering light scattering on a single atom as a preliminary step to understand the elastic/inelastic distinction before moving to crystals.
  • A participant proposes that in elastic scattering, the light induces dipoles in the atom or molecule, which radiate secondary light at the same frequency, and this concept may extend to crystals where multiple dipoles are induced.
  • It is mentioned that for elastic scattering to occur, internal degrees of freedom must not be excited, with phonon states being a key factor in crystals.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the specific steps involved in the scattering process when phonons are not excited.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and propose different aspects of the scattering process, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the mechanisms at play.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the assumptions regarding the nature of phonon states or the specific interactions occurring during elastic scattering, leaving some steps in the explanation unresolved.

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it makes sense that with an inelastic scattering process, a wave approaches a crystal, and then some energy is imparted to the phonons, so that the outgoing wave has a different frequency from the incoming wave. However, with an elastic scattering process, the frequency is unchanged-- how does the crystal not affect the wave? What exactly is happening? I don't understand the precise steps of what is going on, that causes an elastic vs inelastic result. Thanks!
 
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Before trying scattering on a crystal, have you considered how light scattering on a single atom works with respect to elastic/inelastic scattering?
 
Thanks, Orodruin. I looked into it, and please tell me if I understand correctly: for elastic scattering, the light induces a dipole on the atom, which in turn radiates secondary light at the same frequency as the incident light. When the light is incident on a large molecule, there is induced secondary light from several parts of the molecule, and these interfere with each other, causing phase shifts, and constructive and destructive interference toward elastic behavior.
So, would I extend this picture to a crystal by saying that the incident light is inducing dipoles all over the crystal??
Thanks!
 
I would say the main point in order to have elastic scattering is to not excite internal degrees of freedom. In the case of the single atom, this would be corresponding to the atom entering an excited state. For the crystal case, exciting internal degrees of freedom is essentially exciting the phonon states.
 
If we are not exciting the phonons, then what steps are actually happening? Thanks!
 

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